Bizarre behaviours...

magic

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What you say about people in Tunisia not having hope - he told me this once . And I think maybe they can’t be blamed for being like this ? I mean , if we were in this situation - living in a dump they are trapped in - they’re not even allowed to have a holiday without a visa - and no hope of an interesting career in spite of education- no hope of marriage if they don’t have money- can’t even have normal relations with women at an age (30 in his case) when most guys here are in their prime - with all this going on no wonder they are how they are. This is why I feel for him as well as I can see his frustration with life sometimes
It’s not this bad ! I’ve never heard of a Tunisian starving to death,they have each other,family,and that’s all they care about and will EVER care about
 

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Yes that’s exactly it !
100% True! We are completely devastated by what they do to us emotionally and some of us physically too. But they can just throw us away like we are the candy wrapper when they’ve eaten all the candy. And if there is one price of candy left in the wrapper, they will try to get us back so they can get that last peice too.
 
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It's true. Myself and Jisela lived there....we witnessed these behaviours first hand.
Read around the forum....we have rats here tell us what these scamming prostitutes think of us, how we deserved it because we are stupid, ugly, fat, desperate, sex deprived women, buying little boys in Tunisia, because nobody else wants us.
It's all here written by their own hands.
Jisela and I have no reason to lie.....it is true :thumbsup:

Oakie doke. Whilst having a break from here, please read up on narcissism.
When rats come here it actually helps. Everyone gets a taste of what they are really like without their sheep's clothing on.
If that can't get through to anyone, then I don't know what will.
 

Brasilgirl

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What you say about people in Tunisia not having hope - he told me this once . And I think maybe they can’t be blamed for being like this ? I mean , if we were in this situation - living in a dump they are trapped in - they’re not even allowed to have a holiday without a visa - and no hope of an interesting career in spite of education- no hope of marriage if they don’t have money- can’t even have normal relations with women at an age (30 in his case) when most guys here are in their prime - with all this going on no wonder they are how they are. This is why I feel for him as well as I can see his frustration with life sometimes
They make the dump they live in. They throw there own garbage on the streets. When they get money, they show it off. Ive never seen a rat take money from a victim to pay for his education and actually get an education! They buy credentials and then cry that they can’t get a job. ( because the whole world know his diplomas are fake!) Their whole design is to get rich quick without working a real job. They hang onto anyone who could be a good victim. You are probably a visa victim. He will take his time with you because the longer the relationship, even the online portion, the easier it is to convince immigrations that it is a real relationship.
I dont have many people I can talk to either. I’ve told my dad and brother and they don’t give me much emotional support. They can’t understand how I could have been so dumb.
I can see how if I were older it would be embarrassing. But please don’t feel embarrassed. You got hooked by this guy because he played your kindness and he sensed you had troubles. He’s a professional scammer and he spotted you.
** big hug.
 

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When rats come here it actually helps. Everyone gets a taste of what they are really like without their sheep's clothing on.
If that can't get through to anyone, then I don't know what will.
Completely agree!!
To have those words straight from the camels mouth is gold dust on this site....though deluded, Amiga stage victims can't see it.
They see that the rats that speak here like that are rats.....but still remain convinced that theirs is 'different' because he hasn't spoken like that/behaved like that......YET!
It's still good for them to read though, as they may push it further down in the pot.....but the seed is planted....and boy.....will it grow :thumbsup:
 

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But I don’t thinks I’m talking to his friends etc ... they would need his password ! Which I’m sure he wouldn’t give , it’s a real FB account.. I feel he’s not as scammerish ( if that’s a word)? As some of these rats I’m reading about
One of his ‘ real ‘ facebooks,yes .and he doesn’t need to give his password for other prostitutes to answer you ,he’s probably sitting on his lazy,shitty ass opposite the friend who is conversing with you
 

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One of his ‘ real ‘ facebooks,yes .and he doesn’t need to give his password for other prostitutes to answer you ,he’s probably sitting on his lazy,shitty ass opposite the friend who is conversing with you
They share their passwords. They pick up money for each other. I know my rat did that for friends. I didn’t figure out why until later.
They do share accounts and that’s how they can appear to be devouted to you. Maybe because you are friends he hasn’t had to keep the appearance of devotion up yet. But he will if you start to date.
 

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They share their passwords. They pick up money for each other. I know my rat did that for friends. I didn’t figure out why until later.
They do share accounts and that’s how they can appear to be devouted to you. Maybe because you are friends he hasn’t had to keep the appearance of devotion up yet. But he will if you start to date.
They share everything. Nothing is private or personal. There isn't anything they won't do for each other whenever they are in need,especially if all parties can benefit from it so beware.
 

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Well, the ladies already here and out can sit back and just watch the process from the outside. It still gives me a kick that my rat has to prostitute himself again... the 2nd wedding party, the 2nd family, maybe the 2nd foreign language... this is all before the potential 3rd Tunisian virgin. :thumbsup: That's a LOT of bezness. A lot of lies and prostitution. I hope the best for the victims here, and I'm really glad it's not me living the lie in Tunisia anymore.
Ah yes, it will always come down to the virgin no matter what. Their ideal woman. Their one and only goal , which is why they need western women to achieve this.
 

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Well, she gets a real deal in all of this, doesn't she? He'll be ripe and ready to bring home all the junk he picked up from prostitution, lies, and a really terrible lifestyle. The whole thing is a nightmare novel.
And a few stds ,maybe aids ,who knows,,,
 

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Thinking about your comments last night and I’m sure there’s a lot of truth in what you’re saying BUT:

The thing people here mention about phones being passed around and everyone laughing at the “ fat stupid old women “... well first I’m none of these things ( apart from old) .. neither am I ugly ...and while I’m sure many men DO do that, it doesn’t mean they ALL do and I have no evidence of this .


I’m not stupid... on the penpal site where I met him I saw ( and talked ) to many many scammers ...incidentally the majority from Morocco and Algeria ( some Tunisians).. I talked to some out of sheer curiosity to see how their scamming works (and because I’m interested in Human psychology ) and saw their Facebook accounts .. and got pretty good at seeing how they function .. and their stupid “ sweetie, honey “ words and fake profiles etc.

But after 5 years of talking to someone on an almost daily basis ... in which HE ( not just me) has opened up about a lot of private stuff .. do you think I wouldn’t notice if scabby stupid scammers would be using his account?
We talk in 2 languages - in which we’re both fluent - he’s a reserved person and doesn’t hang around with the hordes of friends I’ve seen in the photos of some of the stupid ones - YES he wants to come to Europe and yes he asked for money once ( which he has not mentioned again ) ...

Does that necessarily make him into some type of monster who’s laughing and humiliating me with friends ? Are you saying ALL Tunisians with European friends act in the same way? I know you’ll all think me deluded, but I can’t for a moment imagine he’s that type of person .. for a start , he could have easily lied to me from the beginning and said I want to marry you and bla bla ....

What I’m trying to say is .. I struggled all night with what people wrote here .. got paranoid .. nearly confronted him about this .. and still think that , while I respect people here have had terrible experiences from abusers, I don’t think all of them are so evil
 

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Galleta, don't you think it's strange that you're on TLR arguing with us about this man you feel is not a rat? I mean, there must be a reason you're here, right?
Yes.. I’ve come here out of curiosity .. to see peoples experiences and get advice . Again I’m not saying he’s perfect but this level of evilness people talk about Is something I can’t believe
 

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If you think this is how you deserve to be treated, silent treatment episodes are normal and mood swings are nothing to worry about, it’s ok to ask for money anyways it was only once and anyways it will never be a real life experience since you already have a husband. Then enjoy it, he isn’t a minor that’s for sure and no one is obligating him nor you. It’s your choice.
 

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Thinking about your comments last night and I’m sure there’s a lot of truth in what you’re saying BUT:

The thing people here mention about phones being passed around and everyone laughing at the “ fat stupid old women “... well first I’m none of these things ( apart from old) .. neither am I ugly ...and while I’m sure many men DO do that, it doesn’t mean they ALL do and I have no evidence of this .


I’m not stupid... on the penpal site where I met him I saw ( and talked ) to many many scammers ...incidentally the majority from Morocco and Algeria ( some Tunisians).. I talked to some out of sheer curiosity to see how their scamming works (and because I’m interested in Human psychology ) and saw their Facebook accounts .. and got pretty good at seeing how they function .. and their stupid “ sweetie, honey “ words and fake profiles etc.

But after 5 years of talking to someone on an almost daily basis ... in which HE ( not just me) has opened up about a lot of private stuff .. do you think I wouldn’t notice if scabby stupid scammers would be using his account?
We talk in 2 languages - in which we’re both fluent - he’s a reserved person and doesn’t hang around with the hordes of friends I’ve seen in the photos of some of the stupid ones - YES he wants to come to Europe and yes he asked for money once ( which he has not mentioned again ) ...

Does that necessarily make him into some type of monster who’s laughing and humiliating me with friends ? Are you saying ALL Tunisians with European friends act in the same way? I know you’ll all think me deluded, but I can’t for a moment imagine he’s that type of person .. for a start , he could have easily lied to me from the beginning and said I want to marry you and bla bla ....

What I’m trying to say is .. I struggled all night with what people wrote here .. got paranoid .. nearly confronted him about this .. and still think that , while I respect people here have had terrible experiences from abusers, I don’t think all of them are so evil
The one thing that contradicts this is the fact he’s online fishing for victims,why would a decent Tunisian man do this ? He wouldn’t! He’d be out working,not sitting at a computer all day,talking to god knows how many women.Because if he’s talking to you, you can guarantee he’s talking to many many others too .Did you try altering his name to see if he has any other face books .or search on pipl.com
 

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You should do whatever feels right for you. All we can do is share our common experiences with you. In the end you will do whatever you feel is right for you.

Something brought you here. You decribed classic Rat features, longevity, silent treatment, asking for money, you are in love with a man you can never have a relationship with in real life. Your dependence will grow deeper and something will change. You will either be hurt deeply or you may give in to his requests in order to keep him.

I’m glad to not be in that position now and to be free of the emotional leash.

If you came hoping for reassurance then that’s not going to happen because you have described what so many of us have already endured and become free from.

But I wish you luck and hope it turns out differently for you.
 

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Thinking about your comments last night and I’m sure there’s a lot of truth in what you’re saying BUT:

The thing people here mention about phones being passed around and everyone laughing at the “ fat stupid old women “... well first I’m none of these things ( apart from old) .. neither am I ugly ...and while I’m sure many men DO do that, it doesn’t mean they ALL do and I have no evidence of this .


I’m not stupid... on the penpal site where I met him I saw ( and talked ) to many many scammers ...incidentally the majority from Morocco and Algeria ( some Tunisians).. I talked to some out of sheer curiosity to see how their scamming works (and because I’m interested in Human psychology ) and saw their Facebook accounts .. and got pretty good at seeing how they function .. and their stupid “ sweetie, honey “ words and fake profiles etc.

But after 5 years of talking to someone on an almost daily basis ... in which HE ( not just me) has opened up about a lot of private stuff .. do you think I wouldn’t notice if scabby stupid scammers would be using his account?
We talk in 2 languages - in which we’re both fluent - he’s a reserved person and doesn’t hang around with the hordes of friends I’ve seen in the photos of some of the stupid ones - YES he wants to come to Europe and yes he asked for money once ( which he has not mentioned again ) ...

Does that necessarily make him into some type of monster who’s laughing and humiliating me with friends ? Are you saying ALL Tunisians with European friends act in the same way? I know you’ll all think me deluded, but I can’t for a moment imagine he’s that type of person .. for a start , he could have easily lied to me from the beginning and said I want to marry you and bla bla ....

What I’m trying to say is .. I struggled all night with what people wrote here .. got paranoid .. nearly confronted him about this .. and still think that , while I respect people here have had terrible experiences from abusers, I don’t think all of them are so evil
"Are you saying ALL Tunisians with European friends act in the same way?"

No, we don't and since you've been reading here for over a year, you should know that by now schmoll.gif Rats do ;)
 

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Thinking about your comments last night and I’m sure there’s a lot of truth in what you’re saying BUT:

The thing people here mention about phones being passed around and everyone laughing at the “ fat stupid old women “... well first I’m none of these things ( apart from old) .. neither am I ugly ...and while I’m sure many men DO do that, it doesn’t mean they ALL do and I have no evidence of this .


I’m not stupid... on the penpal site where I met him I saw ( and talked ) to many many scammers ...incidentally the majority from Morocco and Algeria ( some Tunisians).. I talked to some out of sheer curiosity to see how their scamming works (and because I’m interested in Human psychology ) and saw their Facebook accounts .. and got pretty good at seeing how they function .. and their stupid “ sweetie, honey “ words and fake profiles etc.

But after 5 years of talking to someone on an almost daily basis ... in which HE ( not just me) has opened up about a lot of private stuff .. do you think I wouldn’t notice if scabby stupid scammers would be using his account?
We talk in 2 languages - in which we’re both fluent - he’s a reserved person and doesn’t hang around with the hordes of friends I’ve seen in the photos of some of the stupid ones - YES he wants to come to Europe and yes he asked for money once ( which he has not mentioned again ) ...

Does that necessarily make him into some type of monster who’s laughing and humiliating me with friends ? Are you saying ALL Tunisians with European friends act in the same way? I know you’ll all think me deluded, but I can’t for a moment imagine he’s that type of person .. for a start , he could have easily lied to me from the beginning and said I want to marry you and bla bla ....

What I’m trying to say is .. I struggled all night with what people wrote here .. got paranoid .. nearly confronted him about this .. and still think that , while I respect people here have had terrible experiences from abusers, I don’t think all of them are so evil
I am not old. I am 20 years old. I am not fat or ugly. I am pretty and slim and petite. I attend a prestigious US university. My rat passed around his phone to others, or gave others his messenger password. I don’t know if they laughed at me. Maybe they laughed at me or at how the rat was able to con me. I don’t know. But I do know he had other people message me sometimes. The words and slang would be different, the texting style would be totally different. His stories wouldn’t fit. One time he thought I was 16. He changed his birthdate. My rat would spell out every word like I do while the others would use acronyms and slang words I never heard of and had to google.
The guy you are talking to may do some of the things but not all. You said, you are not dating and are just friends (officially) so the game is likely slightly different.
Five years is not a long time for some of these guys. Some get married, get the visa, have a bunch of kids, then when they’ve saved enough money, they bail leaving the wife broke and with the kids. Or the wife leaves him because she has had enough of the abuse.
 

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Thinking about your comments last night and I’m sure there’s a lot of truth in what you’re saying BUT:

The thing people here mention about phones being passed around and everyone laughing at the “ fat stupid old women “... well first I’m none of these things ( apart from old) .. neither am I ugly ...and while I’m sure many men DO do that, it doesn’t mean they ALL do and I have no evidence of this .


I’m not stupid... on the penpal site where I met him I saw ( and talked ) to many many scammers ...incidentally the majority from Morocco and Algeria ( some Tunisians).. I talked to some out of sheer curiosity to see how their scamming works (and because I’m interested in Human psychology ) and saw their Facebook accounts .. and got pretty good at seeing how they function .. and their stupid “ sweetie, honey “ words and fake profiles etc.

But after 5 years of talking to someone on an almost daily basis ... in which HE ( not just me) has opened up about a lot of private stuff .. do you think I wouldn’t notice if scabby stupid scammers would be using his account?
We talk in 2 languages - in which we’re both fluent - he’s a reserved person and doesn’t hang around with the hordes of friends I’ve seen in the photos of some of the stupid ones - YES he wants to come to Europe and yes he asked for money once ( which he has not mentioned again ) ...

Does that necessarily make him into some type of monster who’s laughing and humiliating me with friends ? Are you saying ALL Tunisians with European friends act in the same way? I know you’ll all think me deluded, but I can’t for a moment imagine he’s that type of person .. for a start , he could have easily lied to me from the beginning and said I want to marry you and bla bla ....

What I’m trying to say is .. I struggled all night with what people wrote here .. got paranoid .. nearly confronted him about this .. and still think that , while I respect people here have had terrible experiences from abusers, I don’t think all of them are so evil
Girl, they don't give a rats behind what you look like. You can look like the model Christie Brinkley, or rated the most beautiful woman in the world, they will still make fun of you and you still won't be the ideal woman they want unless you are a Tunisian virgin.That's the only woman they want and need. If you are attractive, sure it's a plus but it don't matter. Scroll back to my comment about how they hate us and anyone from western countries...we are infidels to them. This is why they do these things to us, we are disposable, they don't care.
It's not too late for you...heed the warnings here, it will save you a lot of pain. These are not just stories, this is real life.
 

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Thinking about your comments last night and I’m sure there’s a lot of truth in what you’re saying BUT:

The thing people here mention about phones being passed around and everyone laughing at the “ fat stupid old women “... well first I’m none of these things ( apart from old) .. neither am I ugly ...and while I’m sure many men DO do that, it doesn’t mean they ALL do and I have no evidence of this .


I’m not stupid... on the penpal site where I met him I saw ( and talked ) to many many scammers ...incidentally the majority from Morocco and Algeria ( some Tunisians).. I talked to some out of sheer curiosity to see how their scamming works (and because I’m interested in Human psychology ) and saw their Facebook accounts .. and got pretty good at seeing how they function .. and their stupid “ sweetie, honey “ words and fake profiles etc.

But after 5 years of talking to someone on an almost daily basis ... in which HE ( not just me) has opened up about a lot of private stuff .. do you think I wouldn’t notice if scabby stupid scammers would be using his account?
We talk in 2 languages - in which we’re both fluent - he’s a reserved person and doesn’t hang around with the hordes of friends I’ve seen in the photos of some of the stupid ones - YES he wants to come to Europe and yes he asked for money once ( which he has not mentioned again ) ...

Does that necessarily make him into some type of monster who’s laughing and humiliating me with friends ? Are you saying ALL Tunisians with European friends act in the same way? I know you’ll all think me deluded, but I can’t for a moment imagine he’s that type of person .. for a start , he could have easily lied to me from the beginning and said I want to marry you and bla bla ....

What I’m trying to say is .. I struggled all night with what people wrote here .. got paranoid .. nearly confronted him about this .. and still think that , while I respect people here have had terrible experiences from abusers, I don’t think all of them are so evil
Go for it then. Your life, your decision. Don't doubt our words though.....none of us has call to lie....our words are truth, but no Amiga stage will accept that their rat is not different, that they are all the same.....my rat was the perfect bloke at the beginning....I would have believed mine was different too.
I would suggest you send no money and no pics, but again....do what you wish.
I do wonder how long this will go on for though....will you go and meet him?
Good luck :thumbsup:
 
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This is not normal behaviour at all.
No ifs, buts or maybes.
Not once has my hubby spoke out of turn to me, he isnt even nasty in an argument.
I can ignore him after an argument and he is the one texting me asking me if i am ok yet. Not once has he ever raised his voice to me.
Even if he had raised his voice to me he would never be nasty / vile or Derogative in anyway. It is crazy to think this is normal
 
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I want to add and highlight that under no circumstances ever would a muslim man ask for money.
If he was stuck for some reason he would ask males only.
This is very important to understand because that one thing alone regardless of his or your financial status is one of the huge red flags. Even hinting to you or even talking about his lack of finances is a big no no in their culture, as my hubby tells me ' it is not your responsibility '
 

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I want to add and highlight that under no circumstances ever would a muslim man ask for money.
If he was stuck for some reason he would ask males only.
This is very important to understand because that one thing alone regardless of his or your financial status is one of the huge red flags. Even hinting to you or even talking about his lack of finances is a big no no in their culture, as my hubby tells me ' it is not your responsibility '
I am curious, would a Muslim man (who is not a rat) expect to take over your assests (including money) once you were married or do you get to keep that yourself?
 
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No my money is my own.
Before you get married you sign a declaration. 3 choices.
Money is shared , whats his is his or he has to provide for you
We did he provides for me .
But regardless of these options his role is to provide for his wife and family and any muslim man under any circumstances would not take money from a woman.
They have a duty to the wife to support her. Upon death if the woman went first and unless there was a will the money would go to the husband
 
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