Domestic Violence

JGG

Major Ratslayer
Have been following the Tunisian news closely since the onset of Coved 19....domestic violence towards women in Tunisia has exploded since the country went into lockdown!! Newcomers here beware of who you are getting involved with. These sweet loving handsome RATS can change in a flash when things don't go their way and the next thing you know you are left broken hearted penniless and quite possibly physically abused.
 

MH007

Administrator
Staff member
Have been following the Tunisian news closely since the onset of Coved 19....domestic violence towards women in Tunisia has exploded since the country went into lockdown!! Newcomers here beware of who you are getting involved with. These sweet loving handsome RATS can change in a flash when things don't go their way and the next thing you know you are left broken hearted penniless and quite possibly physically abused.
Domestic violence has also rocketed in the U.K since the lockdown - helplines have been sorted, adverts against domestic violence have risen too in the hope that victims know where to turn for help.

What a world we live in.

MH x
 

simple

Major Ratslayer
It always been a problem ,in Tunisia ,Im surprised women are reporting it now ..They never used to ,It was accepted ,because that how men are to them.Im glad its being brought out into the open more,but unfortunatly,,the police wont help nor has the goverment taken it seriously ,,there are no shelters or hotlines or advice centers ,for Tunisian women Its always been like this.
 

Amira

Major Ratslayer
It always been a problem ,in Tunisia ,Im surprised women are reporting it now ..They never used to ,It was accepted ,because that how men are to them.Im glad its being brought out into the open more,but unfortunatly,,the police wont help nor has the goverment taken it seriously ,,there are no shelters or hotlines or advice centers ,for Tunisian women Its always been like this.
Why do we find ourselves in it. It is quite possible to go if there is family violence but I understand that it is difficult especially when it comes to money and this honor that annoys me because I believe it goes beyond living and shame because it is shame to be divorced etc. Violence can cause the children to take care of the father / or the person who does this. Honor lies in religion the more religious one is the more violence but it is kept hidden
 

Myriam1

Major Ratslayer
Don't forget that in islam the husband has the power over his women (vers 4.34 in quran annissaa). He can beat her is he even fears any disobedience from her side and Don't accept the sugarcoated version of this ayaa saying that beating means with a toothbrush stick...it says in Arabic "darabhounna", meaning beat her up!

More and more tunisian women stand up against ill treatments from their husband's side, some women organisations also opened shelters lately, which is a very good thing!
 

simple

Major Ratslayer
Don't forget that in islam the husband has the power over his women (vers 4.34 in quran annissaa). He can beat her is he even fears any disobedience from her side and Don't accept the sugarcoated version of this ayaa saying that beating means with a toothbrush stick...it says in Arabic "darabhounna", meaning beat her up!

More and more tunisian women stand up against ill treatments from their husband's side, some women organisations also opened shelters lately, which is a very good thing!
Im glad shelters are being provided now ,These women have no where to turn to otherwise..Thats good news..
 

Amira

Major Ratslayer
Really it's cruel that he's allowed to beat her. Think that much of the cause is money and that is why some women choose to stay. But it is of course very good that Tunisian women dare to give in and stand up for their rights.:)
 

Myriam1

Major Ratslayer
Amira, let's place it in the Following context:
Tunisian women legally do have rights, but in daily life they can't and don't use those rights ...unless their life is really at stake! Some women are really beaten up in a life threathening way, so the only way out is the shelter! Because their families will rarely take them back in, once women are married, they belong to their husband('s family).
Most women (and their children) are financially totally dependend on their husbands and on top of all...a battered woman is mostly seen as the one in fault.
Still a long way to go for them, especially in a country where religion and tradition give a husband the right of beating his wife.
 

MH007

Administrator
Staff member
Amira, let's place it in the Following context:
Tunisian women legally do have rights, but in daily life they can't and don't use those rights ...unless their life is really at stake! Some women are really beaten up in a life threathening way, so the only way out is the shelter! Because their families will rarely take them back in, once women are married, they belong to their husband('s family).
Most women (and their children) are financially totally dependend on their husbands and on top of all...a battered woman is mostly seen as the one in fault.
Still a long way to go for them, especially in a country where religion and tradition give a husband the right of beating his wife.
There are now specialist police depts that are there for domestic violence.

It's not well known but it's a step in the right direction.

MH x
 

Pussycatz

Senior Rat Expert
Just to clarify, the Islamic religion does not condone a husband hitting his wife, Actually it is haram, our religion provides a variety of ways husbands and wives should solve problems. Violence is not one of them. This is purely Tunisian culture. Not religion.
Not purely Tunisian. In fact the women are not usually murdered. Ever heard of honour killings? In the Islamic majority countries like Pakistan, Iran it happens. In Saudi Women are lashed in public and stoned still. Death of a Saudi Princess? Imprisonment of Princesses. 4 witnesses to rape in Dubai or no conviction. Just a tip of the iceberg. Yes they can beat their wives and they do. There’s a video on you tube in fact saying how not to beat her face but that’s it’s fine to beat with a switch from an Imam. Let’s not gloss over these violations.
 

simple

Major Ratslayer
Not purely Tunisian. In fact the women are not usually murdered. Ever heard of honour killings? In the Islamic majority countries like Pakistan, Iran it happens. In Saudi Women are lashed in public and stoned still. Death of a Saudi Princess? Imprisonment of Princesses. 4 witnesses to rape in Dubai or no conviction. Just a tip of the iceberg. Yes they can beat their wives and they do. There’s a video on you tube in fact saying how not to beat her face but that’s it’s fine to beat with a switch from an Imam. Let’s not gloss over these violations.
Honour killings happen in Tunisia also,, a 13 year old ,was killed by her father .A very infamous rape case happened in Tunisia also ,,by police ..
 

Amira

Major Ratslayer
It says a lot about their mindset when it's ok to beat wife and kids. They marry western women because of three things, visa sex and money. It is not talkative feelings because how can they have feelings for someone when they have such a woman's view at least not for us who are used to doing what we want. If you choose to live with such a man, it is the woman who gets the whole bill, I think.
 

JGG

Major Ratslayer
It says a lot about their mindset when it's ok to beat wife and kids. They marry western women because of three things, visa sex and money. It is not talkative feelings because how can they have feelings for someone when they have such a woman's view at least not for us who are used to doing what we want. If you choose to live with such a man, it is the woman who gets the whole bill, I think.
Before even considering entering into any kind of relationship with these men, Western women need to educate themselves in regards to religion....culture and the Law. As I have said before the "Homal Social" aspect of Islamic countries is very difficult for Western women to understand and to accept.
 

tutusandfrogs

Ratslayer
Abuse, comes from someone's inability to cope with their own feelings. There's been many interpretations of a certain verse in the Qur'an, but the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) does not condone violence against women. I trust him above any imam or scholar.

The Qur’an and prophetic practice clearly illustrate the relationship between spouses. The Qur’an says the relationship is based on tranquillity, unconditional love, tenderness, protection, encouragement, peace, kindness, comfort, justice and mercy.

The Muslim prophet, Muhammad, set direct examples of these ideals of a marital relationship in his personal life. There is no clearer prophetic saying about a husband’s responsibility toward his wife than his response when asked:

Give her food when you take food, clothe her when you clothe yourself, do not revile her face, and do not beat her.
Muhammad further stressed the importance of kindness toward women in his farewell pilgrimage. He equated the violation of their marital rights to a breach of the couple’s covenant with God.

Abusive behaviour towards a woman is also forbidden because it contradicts the objectives of Islamic jurisprudence – specifically the preservation of life and reason, and the Qur’anic injunctions of righteousness and kind treatment.
 

Myriam1

Major Ratslayer
Yes, and allowing having 4 wives and fuck as many as a man wants of his slaves (right hand posessions).
And again quran, el bakqara, 4:34.....
Please learn arabic tutusandfrogs and READ the quran although a good translation would do the job, but then you would says that when you Don't know arabic you can not understand quran...
You're hanging on to the sugar version...time will learn you.
 

Amira

Major Ratslayer
The Qur'an is written in ancient Arabic I do not believe in Tunisian. Yes I agree that it is wise to learn Arabic and the culture when having an Arab lover / husband. But the best thing is if she starts with stanbard Arabic / fozia and then can choose dialect. leventine arabic.
 

simple

Major Ratslayer
Chapter 4 verse 34" A rebellious woman should first be admonished,then abandoned in bed and ultimatley beaten ,untill her behaviour improves " This verse has caused controversy and anger for years ,But it it in the quran.. The quran has been translated into so many different languages ,,that some versions are simplified to suit the western taste .. This verse was translated so the word beaten was taken out and "To go away" was inserted ,,, So unless you can read the quran in its original form its pointless..
 

Myriam1

Major Ratslayer
Tu quoque - response from muslim : But the bible also says….
I Don't care about the bible, I am not a religious person BUT even I do know that the bible is not the literal word of a god while the quran prétends to be so.
Defending religions is a hard job for the believers, but let's put it simply this way : all over the world women are suffering from the barbaric sharia laws based on quranic teachings and words and the so called muslima's that hang on to the sugar version of islam make fun of the sufferings of their sisters in islam and really should go and live their lives in real islamic countries!

And YES, domestic violence in Tunisia is embedded in the society, for the biggest part due to the quran.
 

Derbygirl

Major Ratslayer
Amira, let's place it in the Following context:
Tunisian women legally do have rights, but in daily life they can't and don't use those rights ...unless their life is really at stake! Some women are really beaten up in a life threathening way, so the only way out is the shelter! Because their families will rarely take them back in, once women are married, they belong to their husband('s family).
Most women (and their children) are financially totally dependend on their husbands and on top of all...a battered woman is mostly seen as the one in fault.
Still a long way to go for them, especially in a country where religion and tradition give a husband the right of beating his wife.
What a culture and religion it is then, to allow that, Myriam1!!!
 
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