I don’t know if I’m being played or if he’s genuinely such a nice person

[Tigerlilly bites back]

Bezness happens in a lot of countries not only in Tunisia. You can't blame an entire country for the actions of rats.
I don't think it's that easy for honest tunisians to go after rats. Some did warn women and get beaten up by the rat or his friends if their bezness is outed.
And YES I do see the difference between good and bad but I fail to understand why an entire country should be blamed for rats.
It's the government of Tunisia who should warn women for their bezness men and do something about it.

It's actually increasing in Tunisia and Nigeria and getting worse than ever i do blame those countries for not making it illegal!!!!!

 

[Mourad]

Well said Imj; the Rats call it "the good life" Mourad, I Personally call it a "life" where we have to work and not having to worry about political unrest or our energy supply cut off for a certain time however food prices in the UK have rocketed, taxes and just about everything that we took for granted, having said that we are starting to feel the "shock waves" of World economy, I'm sorry to say that Tunisia is feeling it now more than ever and these TLR having met us and then show us so much disrespect taking advantage of hour good nature they lost that opportunity to make their lives a bit easier, this is referred to as losing the "opportunity of a good life" for themselves and maybe their families however they got GREEDY in the process!!

i think "good life" is what u make for urself no matter what country u live in. so if u ask me do i have good life here in tunisia? absolutely yes.
u can live in rich country, but u not feel secure no matter how much money u have and how much u have pleasant life.
good life is in mind, u make it for urself, not depend on person woman, or man, not depend on money. i call it being grateful to what u have and thank god everyday for bing healthy and safe.
u can make ur life easier even in the worst place in the world, so i do not agree living in europe makes life easier or better.

 

[Mourad]

It's actually increasing in Tunisia and Nigeria and getting worse than ever i do blame those countries for not making it illegal!!!!!

bezness usually involves 2 people, countries can not make it illegal cause it is not their business to interfer in people lives and say this is bezness or not.
bezness exists in every place in the world, stories of young men have relationship with old women is bezness, many many stories n europe of old men have relationships with very young girls, why they see it normal, no, it is bezness too, not only in tunisia, it is everywhere.
i think countries can not involve or make it illegal cause everyone have right mind to protect urself from it before it happens.

 

[Mourad]

Well said Imj; the Rats call it "the good life" Mourad, I Personally call it a "life" where we have to work and not having to worry about political unrest or our energy supply cut off for a certain time however food prices in the UK have rocketed, taxes and just about everything that we took for granted, having said that we are starting to feel the "shock waves" of World economy, I'm sorry to say that Tunisia is feeling it now more than ever and these TLR having met us and then show us so much disrespect taking advantage of hour good nature they lost that opportunity to make their lives a bit easier, this is referred to as losing the "opportunity of a good life" for themselves and maybe their families however they got GREEDY in the process!!

i also add that i not agree with word of lost opportunity to have good lief, why? because if i say this to someone, it means that i say to the person : u only will have good life because of me, u should be grateful to me, i was going to give u better life, but you lose it, the key of happiness of you, is in my hands etc

it is how i think when i read the word of lose good life, maybe not correct, i just share opinion and is not offense

 

[Blueish]

i also add that i not agree with word of lost opportunity to have good lief, why? because if i say this to someone, it means that i say to the person : u only will have good life because of me, u should be grateful to me, i was going to give u better life, but you lose it, the key of happiness of you, is in my hands etc

it is how i think when i read the word of lose good life, maybe not correct, i just share opinion and is not offense

is okay Mourad, sometimes opportunity knocks, sometimes we bring that opportunity to someone no matter who they are, sometimes we have more pleasure in giving than receiving, sometimes some people are "takers" personally I'm a "giver" and so are many members here, I respect your opinion and no offense taken.

 

[Mourad]

is okay Mourad, sometimes opportunity knocks, sometimes we bring that opportunity to someone no matter who they are, sometimes we have more pleasure in giving than receiving, sometimes some people are "takers" personally I'm a "giver" and so are many members here, I respect your opinion and no offense taken.

thank u, i know opportunity exist and best thing to do with quality of giver is to protect urself from people who take advantage of it.
best thing in relationship is be both giver and taker at same time
if too much giver is probem cause be giver must be natural not want sthg back
if too much taker is problem too cause person who take, will not make effort to make relationship works fine.
good balance and be equal is good in all relationship

 

[Blueish]

i think "good life" is what u make for urself no matter what country u live in. so if u ask me do i have good life here in tunisia? absolutely yes.
u can live in rich country, but u not feel secure no matter how much money u have and how much u have pleasant life.
good life is in mind, u make it for urself, not depend on person woman, or man, not depend on money. i call it being grateful to what u have and thank god everyday for bing healthy and safe.
u can make ur life easier even in the worst place in the world, so i do not agree living in europe makes life easier or better.

at the end of the day "life is what you make it" as you suggested Mourad, is a matter of using your wisdom .

 

[Blueish]

thank u, i know opportunity exist and best thing to do with quality of giver is to protect urself from people who take advantage of it.
best thing in relationship is be both giver and taker at same time
if too much giver is probem cause be giver must be natural not want sthg back
if too much taker is problem too cause person who take, will not make effort to make relationship works fine.
good balance and be equal is good in all relationship

yep... balance IS IMPORTANT however many ppl can't differentiate between the two, for marriage to work/relationship, is a matter of "giving and taking on both sides, I can see so much selfishness around .
If someone is planning to get married or indeed having a relationship will have to be prepared to "compromise", before getting too involved if that is not happening then... forget it!!!! (in an ideal world).. that saying "love is blind" oh yes, is a very strong emotion that needs to be controlled.
Men are more "logical" they see things as "they are", on the other hand women are more "sentimental" (yes we are) we suffer the most. because of it!

 

[Tidli]

thank u, i know opportunity exist and best thing to do with quality of giver is to protect urself from people who take advantage of it.
best thing in relationship is be both giver and taker at same time
if too much giver is probem cause be giver must be natural not want sthg back
if too much taker is problem too cause person who take, will not make effort to make relationship works fine.
good balance and be equal is good in all relationship

I must admit, I took offence reading this. In a normal relationship you give and take. Sometimes you have to give more, sometimes less. It doesn’t matter, because in a normal relationship both parts give what they can to make it work, after all you are planning to spend your future together right? A relationship with a rat isn’t a normal relationship. You must understand the rat is psychologically playing us. They were never interested in spending the future together. They didn’t want a relationship, they wanted money, sex, visa etc. When he played me into giving him that money, I didn’t enjoy having his life in my hands, or I was thinking now he ows me for the rest of his life. No, I gave him money so he could make a business for himself and be independent in the future. No matter if we were together or not. I loved him! That’s what you do for people you love! It’s nothing wrong with me or any other victims of love scam. We are perfectly fine but it seems like you are saying it’s our own fault for not protecting ourselves and that a giver should not expect something back. I didn’t expect something back because I knew he didn’t have anything! But I believed him when he said he loved me and was talking about our future together. And yes, I do think he missed the opportunity of a good life. He had a woman that loved him unconditionally, and I would have stuck by his side for better or worse. It’s not that often that love comes around, it doesn’t happen everyday. Also my money is a lot worth in his country, we could have created a good life for ourselves. No, not me paying everything and he being my personal slave. No!! I just wanted to give him that money to get on his feet and be independent, so that we could build a life together. I did my best in that relationship and the only thing I expected back was honesty and that he did his best too. We were stabbed in the back by someone who said they loved us more than anything in the world. It hurts! I do agree with you that love rats are everywhere in the world. I wish that there were flyers and brochures in hotelrooms and at airports to warn about these things. I think there should be warnings when you transfer money with WU aswell. There are some already, don’t send money to someone that you never met etc, but there should be more. Like a checklist with the red flags. I don’t know it was just a thought…

 

[Mourad]

I must admit, I took offence reading this. In a normal relationship you give and take. Sometimes you have to give more, sometimes less. It doesn’t matter, because in a normal relationship both parts give what they can to make it work, after all you are planning to spend your future together right? A relationship with a rat isn’t a normal relationship. You must understand the rat is psychologically playing us. They were never interested in spending the future together. They didn’t want a relationship, they wanted money, sex, visa etc. When he played me into giving him that money, I didn’t enjoy having his life in my hands, or I was thinking now he ows me for the rest of his life. No, I gave him money so he could make a business for himself and be independent in the future. No matter if we were together or not. I loved him! That’s what you do for people you love! It’s nothing wrong with me or any other victims of love scam. We are perfectly fine but it seems like you are saying it’s our own fault for not protecting ourselves and that a giver should not expect something back. I didn’t expect something back because I knew he didn’t have anything! But I believed him when he said he loved me and was talking about our future together. And yes, I do think he missed the opportunity of a good life. He had a woman that loved him unconditionally, and I would have stuck by his side for better or worse. It’s not that often that love comes around, it doesn’t happen everyday. Also my money is a lot worth in his country, we could have created a good life for ourselves. No, not me paying everything and he being my personal slave. No!! I just wanted to give him that money to get on his feet and be independent, so that we could build a life together. I did my best in that relationship and the only thing I expected back was honesty and that he did his best too. We were stabbed in the back by someone who said they loved us more than anything in the world. It hurts! I do agree with you that love rats are everywhere in the world. I wish that there were flyers and brochures in hotelrooms and at airports to warn about these things. I think there should be warnings when you transfer money with WU aswell. There are some already, don’t send money to someone that you never met etc, but there should be more. Like a checklist with the red flags. I don’t know it was just a thought…

i glad that someone disagree, i not want someone who agree to everything, and is good for opinions and conversations.

now, i understand what ur saying, but i never said is ur fault, i said when u protect urself in a relations with normal person or rat, u will be less disapointed.
if rat from tunisia or india scam u, is painful, if no rat (normal person) from your country scam u is painful too, is the same.
that's why i said must protect urself in any kind of relationship, could be freind , family, bf etc.

also, i not say that you want slave cause you send money, what i say is that this behavior exists in men and women in general, it was not about u.
many people expect sthg back when in relationship and want partner to owe them for that and say u lose good life, is it happening most of time and in many relationships around the world, i not say that is u, i not say u did that, so i not understand why take offense.

also giving and taking is not about money, is about time give to each other, that sort of thing.

 

[Tidli]

u only will have good life because of me, u should be grateful to me, i was going to give u better life, but you lose it, the key of happiness of you, is in my hands etc

I can only speak for myself, but I would never say or even think this. That looks like the mindset of a narcissist. Certainly not a victim of a love rat. I think we are allowed to think that the rat missed out. After all we had so much to offer without expecting anything in return. I’d say they screwed up, but they are not able to love the way we do, so they will never know.

 

[Tidli]

i glad that someone disagree, i not want someone who agree to everything, and is good for opinions and conversations.

now, i understand what ur saying, but i never said is ur fault, i said when u protect urself in a relations with normal person or rat, u will be less disapointed.
if rat from tunisia or india scam u, is painful, if no rat (normal person) from your country scam u is painful too, is the same.
that's why i said must protect urself in any kind of relationship, could be freind , family, bf etc.

also, i not say that you want slave cause you send money, what i say is that this behavior exists in men and women in general, it was not about u.
many people expect sthg back when in relationship and want partner to owe them for that and say u lose good life, is it happening most of time and in many relationships around the world, i not say that is u, i not say u did that, so i not understand why take offense.

also giving and taking is not about money, is about time give to each other, that sort of thing.

I agree, it’s important to talk about these things. Sometimes I find myself triggered, because although it’s been a while it still hurts very much. Sorry for that.

 

[Mourad]

I agree, it’s important to talk about these things. Sometimes I find myself triggered, because although it’s been a while it still hurts very much. Sorry for that.

is alright, i not know ur full story, but all i say, is things will be good in short or long time.

 

[Imj]

i glad that someone disagree, i not want someone who agree to everything, and is good for opinions and conversations.

now, i understand what ur saying, but i never said is ur fault, i said when u protect urself in a relations with normal person or rat, u will be less disapointed.
if rat from tunisia or india scam u, is painful, if no rat (normal person) from your country scam u is painful too, is the same.
that's why i said must protect urself in any kind of relationship, could be freind , family, bf etc.

also, i not say that you want slave cause you send money, what i say is that this behavior exists in men and women in general, it was not about u.
many people expect sthg back when in relationship and want partner to owe them for that and say u lose good life, is it happening most of time and in many relationships around the world, i not say that is u, i not say u did that, so i not understand why take offense.

also giving and taking is not about money, is about time give to each other, that sort of thing.

I used the term losing the chance of a good life as that’s literally what his sister said to me I was for him.
The screenshots clearly show what the intent of being with me was but I was lied to pretending it was a genuine relationship of love.
Obviously moving forward I will be protecting myself but this also means I could be missing out on a good relationship because of how I’ve now been made to feel.
Just my opinion of how I feel.

 

[Tidli]

Obviously moving forward I will be protecting myself but this also means I could be missing out on a good relationship because of how I’ve now been made to feel.

Excactly how I feel @Imj If this was a normal relationship and it ended, sure I would have been sad and all, we’ve all been through a breakup. But this evil, dirty psychological game we have been through can’t be compared to a normal relationship. People who haven’t been through it can’t understand it in my opinion. And I am left wondering if I can ever trust anyone again and that is not a good way to live.

 

[Blueish]

I must admit, I took offence reading this. In a normal relationship you give and take. Sometimes you have to give more, sometimes less. It doesn’t matter, because in a normal relationship both parts give what they can to make it work, after all you are planning to spend your future together right? A relationship with a rat isn’t a normal relationship. You must understand the rat is psychologically playing us. They were never interested in spending the future together. They didn’t want a relationship, they wanted money, sex, visa etc. When he played me into giving him that money, I didn’t enjoy having his life in my hands, or I was thinking now he ows me for the rest of his life. No, I gave him money so he could make a business for himself and be independent in the future. No matter if we were together or not. I loved him! That’s what you do for people you love! It’s nothing wrong with me or any other victims of love scam. We are perfectly fine but it seems like you are saying it’s our own fault for not protecting ourselves and that a giver should not expect something back. I didn’t expect something back because I knew he didn’t have anything! But I believed him when he said he loved me and was talking about our future together. And yes, I do think he missed the opportunity of a good life. He had a woman that loved him unconditionally, and I would have stuck by his side for better or worse. It’s not that often that love comes around, it doesn’t happen everyday. Also my money is a lot worth in his country, we could have created a good life for ourselves. No, not me paying everything and he being my personal slave. No!! I just wanted to give him that money to get on his feet and be independent, so that we could build a life together. I did my best in that relationship and the only thing I expected back was honesty and that he did his best too. We were stabbed in the back by someone who said they loved us more than anything in the world. It hurts! I do agree with you that love rats are everywhere in the world. I wish that there were flyers and brochures in hotelrooms and at airports to warn about these things. I think there should be warnings when you transfer money with WU aswell. There are some already, don’t send money to someone that you never met etc, but there should be more. Like a checklist with the red flags. I don’t know it was just a thought…

yes indeed Tidli, you were a giver and he knew that ! these Rats/scammers are not normal people, it's unfortunate that people like them makes us loose trust in the human race.

 

[Blueish]

i glad that someone disagree, i not want someone who agree to everything, and is good for opinions and conversations.

now, i understand what ur saying, but i never said is ur fault, i said when u protect urself in a relations with normal person or rat, u will be less disapointed.
if rat from tunisia or india scam u, is painful, if no rat (normal person) from your country scam u is painful too, is the same.
that's why i said must protect urself in any kind of relationship, could be freind , family, bf etc.

also, i not say that you want slave cause you send money, what i say is that this behavior exists in men and women in general, it was not about u.
many people expect sthg back when in relationship and want partner to owe them for that and say u lose good life, is it happening most of time and in many relationships around the world, i not say that is u, i not say u did that, so i not understand why take offense.

also giving and taking is not about money, is about time give to each other, that sort of thing.

Mourad these Rats/Scammers are NOT normal people, they find joy in taking advantage of vulnerable ladies in the name of LOVE!! People in their right estate of mind wouldn't dream of doing these sort of harm, leaving psychological harm with scars that remain thru life.

 

[Mourad]

Excactly how I feel @Imj If this was a normal relationship and it ended, sure I would have been sad and all, we’ve all been through a breakup. But this evil, dirty psychological game we have been through can’t be compared to a normal relationship. People who haven’t been through it can’t understand it in my opinion. And I am left wondering if I can ever trust anyone again and that is not a good way to live.

Living should be spend surviving things, appreciating the small good things, nurturing kindness and friendships, and the rest will come its way. What will be will be.
Translated from Tunisian words.

 

[Tidli]

Living should be spend surviving things, appreciating the small good things, nurturing kindness and friendships, and the rest will come its way. What will be will be.
Translated from Tunisian words.

OMG @Mourad I am so sorry if you are a genuine person and mean these things from your heart. But I was laughing out loud, because these are the things my ex rat used to say while he was milking me for money like an old useless cow. LOL. Words are sweet, but actions to prove the words are even sweeter.

 

[Mourad]

OMG @Mourad I am so sorry if you are a genuine person and mean these things from your heart. But I was laughing out loud, because these are the things my ex rat used to say while he was milking me for money like an old useless cow. LOL. Words are sweet, but actions to prove the words are even sweeter.

i m glad that i made u laugh, i sorry if the words remind u of ur rat.
now this is a joke abut my wife when i tell her such things, she open her eyes wide open and say while laughing: what does Mourad wants now? and we both start to laugh.
yes i mean what i say, nd ur not what u say about urself. still beautiful things to live in life.
u all survive bad things happened, and u must see it as victory, not failure.

 

[Sabrina]

I must admit, I took offence reading this. In a normal relationship you give and take. Sometimes you have to give more, sometimes less. It doesn’t matter, because in a normal relationship both parts give what they can to make it work, after all you are planning to spend your future together right? A relationship with a rat isn’t a normal relationship. You must understand the rat is psychologically playing us. They were never interested in spending the future together. They didn’t want a relationship, they wanted money, sex, visa etc. When he played me into giving him that money, I didn’t enjoy having his life in my hands, or I was thinking now he ows me for the rest of his life. No, I gave him money so he could make a business for himself and be independent in the future. No matter if we were together or not. I loved him! That’s what you do for people you love! It’s nothing wrong with me or any other victims of love scam. We are perfectly fine but it seems like you are saying it’s our own fault for not protecting ourselves and that a giver should not expect something back. I didn’t expect something back because I knew he didn’t have anything! But I believed him when he said he loved me and was talking about our future together. And yes, I do think he missed the opportunity of a good life. He had a woman that loved him unconditionally, and I would have stuck by his side for better or worse. It’s not that often that love comes around, it doesn’t happen everyday. Also my money is a lot worth in his country, we could have created a good life for ourselves. No, not me paying everything and he being my personal slave. No!! I just wanted to give him that money to get on his feet and be independent, so that we could build a life together. I did my best in that relationship and the only thing I expected back was honesty and that he did his best too. We were stabbed in the back by someone who said they loved us more than anything in the world. It hurts! I do agree with you that love rats are everywhere in the world. I wish that there were flyers and brochures in hotelrooms and at airports to warn about these things. I think there should be warnings when you transfer money with WU aswell. There are some already, don’t send money to someone that you never met etc, but there should be more. Like a checklist with the red flags. I don’t know it was just a thought…

I totally agree with you @Tidli we gave because we loved them and wanted to help them until we realized they were lying to us all and taking advantage of our generosity! Yes it’s everywhere but this site is called “Tunisian loverats” not old men with young girl or anything else. We all know this goes on everywhere and ours all said they wanted a better life with us. So true these rats have made their life what it is today whatever that may be

 

[Mourad]

there no secrets,but only is love of 20 years of marriage, patience and compromise.
Live happy day by day and all is good

 

[Blueish]

there no secrets,but only is love of 20 years of marriage, patience and compromise.
Live happy day by day and all is good

That sounds very dreamy (no mean to be sarcastic) and is nice to know that after 20 years you're very much together. Yes Mourad you just said the magic words.. patience and compromise... love is ok but what it comes after a long time together with someone is the word "caring" and friendship.
It's very rare to find in young ones the clarity of "togetherness", unfortunately in today's world is becoming a "fairy tale". They all want it now, Love, money, and togetherness for life. It doesn't work that way, it takes years and hard work.

 

[Tigerlilly bites back]

bezness usually involves 2 people, countries can not make it illegal cause it is not their business to interfer in people lives and say this is bezness or not.
bezness exists in every place in the world, stories of young men have relationship with old women is bezness, many many stories n europe of old men have relationships with very young girls, why they see it normal, no, it is bezness too, not only in tunisia, it is everywhere.
i think countries can not involve or make it illegal cause everyone have right mind to protect urself from it before it happens.

I am not a old woman let's get that right
And in my country love scamming is illegal
Countries can make it illegal but the reason is this scamming bezzness love fake whatever u like to call it is bringing in tourism mostly for Tunisia
Tunisia know its going on and the rats family's are involved in the scams and actually encourage the sons !!
This is illegal to steal money
And fake love
If u have proof then by all means take them to court expose them everywhere
The Tunisian rats are worse than the yahoo boys
Most will stand by the rat enjoy the money they have scammed illegally but once the rat and family are exposed u watch as cousins friends slowly move away from the rat
When I exposed my rat
He couldn't even go to coffee
Because the other tunisians who had enjoyed his scams now didn't like being part off tbe exposure
It's time now these rats was exposed with their family and its time u woman started to say la la la
My rat was exposed everywhere I could with proof
don't take the rats threats abuse black mail
FUCK THE TUNISIAN RATS OFF !!!!!!

 

[Tigerlilly bites back]

Mine too lost his work in a 5* hotel and now he has work but in a not good hotel
He tried everything for me to take if off I didn't
I also tagged as many hotels around the rat that I could find and I was surprised the hotels put it on their website and face books
And his friends relatives that I tagged had it on their face book too
So the rat was so very angry
So yeah they deserve to be exposed 100%
Greedy selfish vile abusive tuni ratscum !!!!

 

[Mourad]

Are you f###ing kidding me? @Mourad is enjoying his time as happy is a pig in shit. I would like his kind to burn. My therapist says they come back to learn. To learn!

i not know what u mean or talk about, but i would like to adress me with respect using normal words please
we not friends, we only online strangers
thank u

 

[Yvonne]

Nice! But why do you come on a site with women abused by your kind? Why do you «brag» about your marriage? If I was you I’d say Sorry, I’d say sorry there are some idiots amongst my kind

Can you please be a little more respectful to a member who did nothing wrong. He has every right to be here as anyone else. He's not risponsible how some of his countrymen are scamming.
If his marriage is happy he has every right to brag about it.
I'm sorry @Tidli and I know many women where hurt and scammed by a rat but it's does not mean every tunisian, man or woman, who comes here and offer help are bad people so I would prefer it if you would choose your words more carefully.
I would like to remind you of the forum rules you should treat each member with respect in the way you would like to be treated

Yvonne xxx

 

[Tigerlilly bites back]

His cousin apologised to me and said there's lots off Tunisian men that are like this and I am sorry for this but they lie and steal from western women even our own women
But we can't get involved as it causes us great trouble
We can only advise u not to do it and again he said sorry .

 

[Yvonne]

I know that! And I’m sorry! But this individual is playing with us, he wouldn’t be here if not. Who the h.. would be here if he’s 20+ years happily married

We all are anonymous here, we can be of any age and it should not matter. It's not because he's Tunisian he is a rat. He did nothing wrong so why shouldn't he have the right to be here and offer help or advice?
Up to now he did nothing wrong so I see no reason why he can't be here

Yvonne xx

 

[Mourad]

Nice! But why do you come on a site with women abused by your kind? Why do you «brag» about your marriage? If I was you I’d say Sorry, I’d say sorry there are some idiots amongst my kind

r u serious? i first though u r talking about ur indian rat, but it appears that u talk about me.

u first say you want what i have,and want to know my secrets of happy life, u even like my comment, and now u change ur mind? weird it is? why my happy life bother u?

i come to site for it is for everyone and admins says as u say our "kind" is welcome here.

u say i should say sorry? For what? for me have good life u asked about it's secret? no i never apologize for sthg i not do wrong.

i not responsible of what u say my kind did to victims. if u have problem, fix it with good mind, nice words.

i wish u someday u will find peace in ur heart away from anger and attacking people u don't know.

please respect me and not mention me again.