IF ITS YOUR FIRST TIME HERE - READ THIS

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  1. Laura2014

    Laura2014 Well-Known Member

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    Welcome, I'm writing this to help you find your way around this site. Had I known how to use it I would have found the crucial information I was looking for much earlier.

    So make a coffee, settle down and begin reading and I apologise for the long post.

    Firstly become a member, you can access more information that way, don't use your own name or picture, once a member you can use the SEARCH which is three small dots on the right hand side. ...

    If you are looking here then you may have met someone on holiday, on line, or through someone else or have a friend you are concerned about or just curious.

    You may already have some doubts. Follow your instinct, its rarely wrong and if someone else has guided you here do please listen to them.

    Search, names, nicknames, places, resort names, hotel names, ages, coffee house names, dates, months anything that may link to your rat. If you can find friends of his on Facebook check the links and likes.

    I only looked for names and places and I missed a vital post, so think laterally and keep checking.

    Keep checking the gallery for new pictures, or google his name/names. They all use two or three names.

    Remember this is an open forum anything you post is PUBLIC so if in doubt anonymise or send a private message to another well known member by creating a conversation, but be candid and cautious. Read posts first so you know who has the most knowledge and experience.
    Try a moderator or admin first.
    Be cautious of male profiles here as many are male Tunisians checking here or fans, people who follow rats and report back or even defend them. Used trusted members.

    SO YOU HAVE A DOUBT: a gut feeling.

    What I say now may seem very cynical and it may be hard to believe of the person you have met and like, maybe even feel you love. In 99.9% this is a one sided relationship. Hard facts but true. When he looks in your eyes he sees dollars, pounds and Euros.

    Hold that thought in your mind. They cast their net very wide in the hope of catching a big fish, they will keep the small fish dangling in case the big catch does not pay off. It's common to have several fish at the same time. If you think it's not possible that he could say the same things to someone else, think again, they can and frequently do and he probably is right now.

    LOVE BOMBING : when you first meet, in person or on line it's lovely, friendly, interested in you, paying you compliments, keeping in contact, saying how much they like you, your not like anyone else they have met, your nice, normal, they enjoy talking. Soon you are looking forward to the contact, it's reliable, always happy to hear from you, it grows in regularity and intensity, becomes more affectionate, gradually, subtly, you start to think about a possible meeting, a future, fantasies begin, a lovely romantic life, rescuing him, this man has a hard life, finds comfort in talking to you. It's a well trodden path and a well used script. The main thing we all have in common is that we all fell for it at some stage. Some got out quickly, some of us lingered, most of us got hurt, humiliated and let down.

    Can it really be all LIES?

    YES YES YES , if you read here and look at past posts there are NO LIMITS. They will and do lie about everything. They lie on line and to your face, they lie about circumstances, family, finances, jobs, education, nationality, health, marriage, children anything at all.

    If you are already thinking, no, it's not possible, he's so genuine, please please think again.

    Start from the premise that everything is a lie and work backwards.

    Common lies:

    I lost my phone, lost my job, my mother, father, any family member is very sick, has cancer, has even died multiple times. They may have been mugged, in a car accident or have a sad tale about a dead fiancé or wife.
    They may actually be already married, or engaged and be meeting several women in the resort at the same time, they will certainly be talking to other women on line. NEVER EVER THINK that's it's not possible, it is.

    THERE ARE NO LIMITS, nothing they will not say or do to meet their objective. It's not personal, it's just BEZNESS

    MONEY AND GIFTS:

    It may not happen straight away, it may not happen at all, although this is rare. There may be hints about how little he has, how hard it is for the family to find enough money for food or to pay household bills, hospital fees. He may not have money to go to the coffee so can't contact you, not enough money for even a few cigarettes, no money in his pucket.... needs a dentist, You may feel sorry for him, after all what's £10 or £20 to you, you can probably afford it, but from this moment on you will never ever know, once you give money all is lost, because it will become a frequent occurrence and you will want to help. A new phone because his is lost, a laptop to keep in touch, money for taxi, the bus is never good enough, especially if it's raining.

    Just a few gifts my love, perfume, jeans, trainers are a must, they all need lots of trainers for all the walking they never do. Then larger amounts, money to buy themselves out of the army, to pay fathers operation, to buy a sheep for Eid, to pay for a visa permit or flight. If you don't give, why? you have plenty, I have nothing.

    I will pay you back..... Don't hold your breath, I'm a good guy I only ask because it's emergency, I feel shame when I ask or take from my parents, they have nothing.

    In rare cases they ask for nothing, in fact may even buy you gifts, flowers on arrival, they might even pay for meals or coffee, but be sure someone else has funded this. A rats pockets are very deep and they rarely if ever part with their own money. Someone else has sent this and it's deemed by him and his friends to be worth the investment. Whatever the reason for the request it will be tragic, sad, desperate. Your refusal or or hesitation will lead to the silent treatment. In most cases it will come, usually after a few weeks or months when you are already hooked. In the handbook of Bezness its chapter 2, a test to see if money will be forthcoming, an indicator of the future reward for the investment of time now.

    The Silent Treatment, is all about raising your anxiety. Messages go unanswered or unread, suddenly loss of contact, on line but not responding. What's happened, what's wrong, is he sick, has he met someone else, eventually, No no my love I was sick, family was sick, uncle die, lose my phone, no money for Internet, but once they see it worried you it will happen frequently.

    HIS FRIENDS AND FAMILY:
    Never think what you say is private. Everything is shared with trusted friends, friends who do the same, sharing hints about what works, sharing messages when they don't understand the words, sharing pictures, friends will even write replies for them. You may notice sometimes their language skills are better or worse than last time. Think about who is replying. THERE ARE NO LIMITS.

    I LOVE YOU:
    Professing love, you are my life, you are best for me, until I met you my life was bad, my family love you, I want to be with you. I want to take care of you. I want to be married with you, I don't like kids, I don't like Tunisian women, they are hard, materialistic, I hate Tunisia, it's not a good life, I want to be free, live with you in your country, I give you a good life, together we can make a business there, or better still together we can make a business in Tunisia. A business you will pay for but never own and never see make a profit. A car my love, it's essential I have car for business. ITS ALL RUBBISH. THERE ARE NO LIMITS

    WHO ARE YOU: why you?
    You may be young and pretty, young and not so pretty, older and pretty or not so pretty, thin or big, look older look younger, blonde or dark haired. It does not matter, you are a means to an end. You are the way to a visa, or to pay for an expensive wedding to their Tunisian habibi, to buy or build a house, to fund an easy life, buy nice clothes, but you are NOT their future. You are a means to improving their circumstances.

    The long haul: THERE ARE NO LIMITS, you may think after one, two even three years, that it's now genuine. But the rat will stick with you for a long long long time. The average age to marry in Tunisia has risen to mid to late thirties, so they will be happy to stick with you (and others alongside you) for years as a means of saving for a better life. There are three women to every man in Tunisia, they can have their pick, mothers are desperate to marry off their daughters. There is no shortage of young women and they all want to be married. Traditions run very very deep. It's exceptional to marry outside of Tunisia and to marry someone older is very unusual and generally unacceptable.

    So a young girl likes his posts, frequently puts romantic symbols on Facebook, it's just my cousin my love, just simple talk. The reality is that cousins are the first choice for marriage, there may even be a long term understanding that they are promised to each other but not yet engaged. So never be taken in my it's just someone in my family. It's likely to be a cousin who is patiently waiting in the wings.

    REMEMBER, his long term goals are modest, the ultimate goal is to marry a Tunisian girl, preferably a Virgin, preferably a younger cousin, to provide a home, a nice wedding and a car to drive his new growing family around. They need you and others like you to fund this.

    What they want to know about you?

    Do you have your own house, job, pension, car, family, children, how many holidays you have, what you have in your home, all these things are indicators about how big a catch you are.

    Common strategies: going silent, ignoring your calls messages. It's all part of the game, making you dependant.

    Or

    Constant messaging, this may seem flattering but it's to ensure you are kept occupied, that you are his No 1 and no one else talks to you. You are an investment so he won't like anyone else in the picture.

    Controlling you, who you see, talk too, where you go, what you wear, even what you spend. Wanting to know where you are, where you are going, who your with, it's all part of the game. Imagine you are a number in a black book, your name and details written beside it, making sure when he calls or messages you he remembers which one you are or he will never use your name, always Babi, my love, just to be sure he makes no mistakes.

    THERE ARE OTHERS, you won't want to believe it but those lovely words he said to you were cut and pasted, repeated and regurgitated, borrowed from friends, copied from a Bezness site.

    Come to visit my love, stay with my family, they will love you the way I do. This is an absolute No, it's never acceptable to stay with a Tunisian man in his family home. If you do, beware the kind sister who befriends you, she may actually be his wife, content to watch him romance you for the benefits you may bring them. Please remember, THERE ARE NO LIMITS, it has happened many times.

    How many Facebook accounts does one person need? They often have three or more, some will be pictures of famous footballers, some with their name spelt slightly differently, or backwards or with a family name added. If you have phone numbers and email addresses type these into the Facebook search box and other accounts may show up.

    How many Skype accounts, how many dating sites, learn how to search.

    On Skype you can search via emails or phone numbers, mine had nine Skype accounts. There are many ways to find information.

    Take screen shots of messages and screen shots of lists of friends from Facebook. Check who's liking his photos and pictures. Sure sign of a rat is someobe with lots of friends from Europe, Russia, Slovenia, Canada and USA. You may be on a selected Facebook account with only Tunisian friends but there WILL be other accounts and friends will be hidden.

    Above all FOLLOW YOUR INSTINCTS, if you are here you already have doubts, listen to them, read everything and don't dismiss anything and NEVER EVER THINK ITS NOT POSSIBLE .... It sadly is.

    Good luck and keep reading.
     
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  2. Mango Chutney

    Mango Chutney Well-Known Member

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    I could like this over and over again!! If I'd understood how to navigate this site when I first accidentally stumbled across it, I would have learned a lot of stuff.....before the physical abuse and name calling started! My rat was not on here then, I was his first successful victim, but there was plenty of other stuff that would have opened my eyes if I'd kept reading. Because mine never, ever asked for money or gifts, I believed he was genuine. I didn't know about the visa. Great post.
     
  3. MH007

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    Great post and so very true, thank you xxx
     
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    Amazing post! @MH007 can we pin this so it's always on top and visible?
     
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    FoolInLove Well-Known Member

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    Great post :love:
     
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    Or even funded by us, how thoughtful honey you bought me a present with my own money, jeez, I am such a lucky gal ;)
     
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    spartacus Well-Known Member

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    Yaaaaa. Any presents i got were bought with my money. I have since destroyed all of it :)
     
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    Katie1971 Well-Known Member

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    Nothing new, definitely a case of what's yours is mine and what's mine is mine too
     
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    Mango Chutney Well-Known Member

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    Haha, well I'm feeling quite spoilt really, twat rat always bought me gifts and day trips out of his own earnings. About the only thing he ever did right!
     
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    spartacus Well-Known Member

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    Yaaaa I paid for our day trips plus 2-3 of his closest "friends". Grrrrr
     
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    spartacus Well-Known Member

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    He pretty much told me that. He said his money was my money and my money was his money. Im like. Ummmm this isnt a good deal. U dont have any money :p
     
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    Yeah there is always the friend or two isn't there lol happened to me too.
     
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    spartacus Well-Known Member

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    Yup. Very frustrating. One of them "seemed" nice. He paid his own way for everything
     
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    Heidi The Sleuth

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    Who payed for your flights to Tunisia and back ?
     
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    Mango Chutney Well-Known Member

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    Oooh, hadn't looked at it that way......I DID!!! :D
     
  16. Laura2014

    Laura2014 Well-Known Member

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    Not sure how to bump this. Suggesting new member @Ezzie reads this.
     
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    Laura2014 Well-Known Member

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    Hope it's ok to bump this up because I think we have a few new members.
     
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    Mango Chutney Well-Known Member

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    Bump away! I've read this a good five or six times now....and I'm still super impressed at how spot on it is :)
     
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    Its unbelivable,but its the thruth
     
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    Great post ... truth :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
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    Mango Chutney Well-Known Member

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    Every time you put a link to this post, I read it again! It's just the best, I've even put a link to it on my Twitter account. But there is a couple of things missing that are worth your while editing in, unless I've overlooked them :confused:

    The thing that fooled me most was that he always said he didn't want to live in my country, that it looked cold, grey and ugly. He said he was happier in Tunisia with sunshine, family and friends around him, the plan from day one was that we would live in Tunisia. It was a lie to fool me into believing he was not using me and I fell for it. It was a year into the relationship before he mentioned a visa, said there was no future in Tunisia, no hope of work, happiness, blah, blah, blah. They throw it at you once you are hooked. I was shocked, as we'd already made plans for a life in Tunisia, but it was all part of the scam. It seems that many rats originally lie and say "We will live in Tunisia"

    Also, the telling you that it's ok to stay at the family home (outside of marriage), especially in the same bed! That you are family and they all love you, respect you etc, that your staying there is fine because of your different nationality. It's not true, it's illegal and the family only allow it in bezness situations, they are all in on the act! It is the biggest disrespect they can show you! Rat bloody families because ultimately, they think they'll all benefit financially if rat gets a visa! A Tunisian girl would be disowned and publicly shamed for this behaviour, but because we are construed as 'Whores' and it's bezness, they all just laugh behind our backs instead.

    I know I've pointed this out here in the comments, but I really believe it's worth your while editing it into your original post, a distressed newbie may only read the OP and not the comments. Still the greatest post ever though, along with Wallah's coping strategy :):)
     
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    Laura2014 Well-Known Member

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    I'll do it tomorrow when I'm sober.... heaven knows what I might add after a few glasses of happy water!
     
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    Mango Chutney Well-Known Member

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    Hahaha, omg, do it now, do it now!!! That would make the most honest, probably foul mouthed and absolutely hilarious reading!!! :D:D
     
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    Yes but princeb as a tunisian man who you feel when you is read so much blacklist on tunisian men . Can tunisian covernment make a New roles to stop this problem Tunisia have well it is not only Tunisia who have problem With bezness but after all Reading about Tunisia and bezness i think is a big problem there . It is offcourse hard to stop it specially in tourist area . But it is a black part off Tunisia and is most make tunisian who is honest they most feel a shame over it and i think mostly off Foreign do not know about the culture and before they know it they is in this bezness game it is why i think is dangerrous for us Foreign to get know them specially in these days .
     
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    Amira Well-Known Member

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    it is dreadful about bezness :(
     
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