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see clearly

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Good good good you just saved yourself alot and i mean alot of hassle and possible financial loss , not to mention possible pregnancy and then poor child / baby being ignored by its father or worse abducted. You are sooo well out of it dont let them waste your life and time because they are a waste of life and time and will eat up your life and your resources and leave you in the end burnt out with nothing . Good girl well done. I wish i had left well alone i really do. Hugs xxx
 

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Welcome, I'm writing this to help you find your way around this site. Had I known how to use it I would have found the crucial information I was looking for much earlier.

So make a coffee, settle down and begin reading and I apologise for the long post.

Firstly become a member, you can access more information that way, don't use your own name or picture, once a member you can use the SEARCH which is three small dots on the right hand side. ...

If you are looking here then you may have met someone on holiday, on line, or through someone else or have a friend you are concerned about or just curious.

You may already have some doubts. Follow your instinct, its rarely wrong and if someone else has guided you here do please listen to them.

Search, names, nicknames, places, resort names, hotel names, ages, coffee house names, dates, months anything that may link to your rat. If you can find friends of his on Facebook check the links and likes.

I only looked for names and places and I missed a vital post, so think laterally and keep checking.

Keep checking the gallery for new pictures, or google his name/names. They all use two or three names.

Remember this is an open forum anything you post is PUBLIC so if in doubt anonymise or send a private message to another well known member by creating a conversation, but be candid and cautious. Read posts first so you know who has the most knowledge and experience.
Try a moderator or admin first.
Be cautious of male profiles here as many are male Tunisians checking here or fans, people who follow rats and report back or even defend them. Used trusted members.

SO YOU HAVE A DOUBT: a gut feeling.

What I say now may seem very cynical and it may be hard to believe of the person you have met and like, maybe even feel you love. In 99.9% this is a one sided relationship. Hard facts but true. When he looks in your eyes he sees dollars, pounds and Euros.

Hold that thought in your mind. They cast their net very wide in the hope of catching a big fish, they will keep the small fish dangling in case the big catch does not pay off. It's common to have several fish at the same time. If you think it's not possible that he could say the same things to someone else, think again, they can and frequently do and he probably is right now.

LOVE BOMBING : when you first meet, in person or on line it's lovely, friendly, interested in you, paying you compliments, keeping in contact, saying how much they like you, your not like anyone else they have met, your nice, normal, they enjoy talking. Soon you are looking forward to the contact, it's reliable, always happy to hear from you, it grows in regularity and intensity, becomes more affectionate, gradually, subtly, you start to think about a possible meeting, a future, fantasies begin, a lovely romantic life, rescuing him, this man has a hard life, finds comfort in talking to you. It's a well trodden path and a well used script. The main thing we all have in common is that we all fell for it at some stage. Some got out quickly, some of us lingered, most of us got hurt, humiliated and let down.

Can it really be all LIES?

YES YES YES , if you read here and look at past posts there are NO LIMITS. They will and do lie about everything. They lie on line and to your face, they lie about circumstances, family, finances, jobs, education, nationality, health, marriage, children anything at all.

If you are already thinking, no, it's not possible, he's so genuine, please please think again.

Start from the premise that everything is a lie and work backwards.

Common lies:

I lost my phone, lost my job, my mother, father, any family member is very sick, has cancer, has even died multiple times. They may have been mugged, in a car accident or have a sad tale about a dead fiancé or wife.
They may actually be already married, or engaged and be meeting several women in the resort at the same time, they will certainly be talking to other women on line. NEVER EVER THINK that's it's not possible, it is.

THERE ARE NO LIMITS, nothing they will not say or do to meet their objective. It's not personal, it's just BEZNESS

MONEY AND GIFTS:

It may not happen straight away, it may not happen at all, although this is rare. There may be hints about how little he has, how hard it is for the family to find enough money for food or to pay household bills, hospital fees. He may not have money to go to the coffee so can't contact you, not enough money for even a few cigarettes, no money in his pucket.... needs a dentist, You may feel sorry for him, after all what's £10 or £20 to you, you can probably afford it, but from this moment on you will never ever know, once you give money all is lost, because it will become a frequent occurrence and you will want to help. A new phone because his is lost, a laptop to keep in touch, money for taxi, the bus is never good enough, especially if it's raining.

Just a few gifts my love, perfume, jeans, trainers are a must, they all need lots of trainers for all the walking they never do. Then larger amounts, money to buy themselves out of the army, to pay fathers operation, to buy a sheep for Eid, to pay for a visa permit or flight. If you don't give, why? you have plenty, I have nothing.

I will pay you back..... Don't hold your breath, I'm a good guy I only ask because it's emergency, I feel shame when I ask or take from my parents, they have nothing.

In rare cases they ask for nothing, in fact may even buy you gifts, flowers on arrival, they might even pay for meals or coffee, but be sure someone else has funded this. A rats pockets are very deep and they rarely if ever part with their own money. Someone else has sent this and it's deemed by him and his friends to be worth the investment. Whatever the reason for the request it will be tragic, sad, desperate. Your refusal or or hesitation will lead to the silent treatment. In most cases it will come, usually after a few weeks or months when you are already hooked. In the handbook of Bezness its chapter 2, a test to see if money will be forthcoming, an indicator of the future reward for the investment of time now.

The Silent Treatment, is all about raising your anxiety. Messages go unanswered or unread, suddenly loss of contact, on line but not responding. What's happened, what's wrong, is he sick, has he met someone else, eventually, No no my love I was sick, family was sick, uncle die, lose my phone, no money for Internet, but once they see it worried you it will happen frequently.

HIS FRIENDS AND FAMILY:
Never think what you say is private. Everything is shared with trusted friends, friends who do the same, sharing hints about what works, sharing messages when they don't understand the words, sharing pictures, friends will even write replies for them. You may notice sometimes their language skills are better or worse than last time. Think about who is replying. THERE ARE NO LIMITS.

I LOVE YOU:
Professing love, you are my life, you are best for me, until I met you my life was bad, my family love you, I want to be with you. I want to take care of you. I want to be married with you, I don't like kids, I don't like Tunisian women, they are hard, materialistic, I hate Tunisia, it's not a good life, I want to be free, live with you in your country, I give you a good life, together we can make a business there, or better still together we can make a business in Tunisia. A business you will pay for but never own and never see make a profit. A car my love, it's essential I have car for business. ITS ALL RUBBISH. THERE ARE NO LIMITS

WHO ARE YOU: why you?
You may be young and pretty, young and not so pretty, older and pretty or not so pretty, thin or big, look older look younger, blonde or dark haired. It does not matter, you are a means to an end. You are the way to a visa, or to pay for an expensive wedding to their Tunisian habibi, to buy or build a house, to fund an easy life, buy nice clothes, but you are NOT their future. You are a means to improving their circumstances.

The long haul: THERE ARE NO LIMITS, you may think after one, two even three years, that it's now genuine. But the rat will stick with you for a long long long time. The average age to marry in Tunisia has risen to mid to late thirties, so they will be happy to stick with you (and others alongside you) for years as a means of saving for a better life. There are three women to every man in Tunisia, they can have their pick, mothers are desperate to marry off their daughters. There is no shortage of young women and they all want to be married. Traditions run very very deep. It's exceptional to marry outside of Tunisia and to marry someone older is very unusual and generally unacceptable.

So a young girl likes his posts, frequently puts romantic symbols on Facebook, it's just my cousin my love, just simple talk. The reality is that cousins are the first choice for marriage, there may even be a long term understanding that they are promised to each other but not yet engaged. So never be taken in my it's just someone in my family. It's likely to be a cousin who is patiently waiting in the wings.

REMEMBER, his long term goals are modest, the ultimate goal is to marry a Tunisian girl, preferably a Virgin, preferably a younger cousin, to provide a home, a nice wedding and a car to drive his new growing family around. They need you and others like you to fund this.

What they want to know about you?

Do you have your own house, job, pension, car, family, children, how many holidays you have, what you have in your home, all these things are indicators about how big a catch you are.

Common strategies: going silent, ignoring your calls messages. It's all part of the game, making you dependant.

Or

Constant messaging, this may seem flattering but it's to ensure you are kept occupied, that you are his No 1 and no one else talks to you. You are an investment so he won't like anyone else in the picture.

Controlling you, who you see, talk too, where you go, what you wear, even what you spend. Wanting to know where you are, where you are going, who your with, it's all part of the game. Imagine you are a number in a black book, your name and details written beside it, making sure when he calls or messages you he remembers which one you are or he will never use your name, always Babi, my love, just to be sure he makes no mistakes.

THERE ARE OTHERS, you won't want to believe it but those lovely words he said to you were cut and pasted, repeated and regurgitated, borrowed from friends, copied from a Bezness site.

Come to visit my love, stay with my family, they will love you the way I do. This is an absolute No, it's never acceptable to stay with a Tunisian man in his family home. If you do, beware the kind sister who befriends you, she may actually be his wife, content to watch him romance you for the benefits you may bring them. Please remember, THERE ARE NO LIMITS, it has happened many times.

How many Facebook accounts does one person need? They often have three or more, some will be pictures of famous footballers, some with their name spelt slightly differently, or backwards or with a family name added. If you have phone numbers and email addresses type these into the Facebook search box and other accounts may show up.

How many Skype accounts, how many dating sites, learn how to search.

On Skype you can search via emails or phone numbers, mine had nine Skype accounts. There are many ways to find information.

Take screen shots of messages and screen shots of lists of friends from Facebook. Check who's liking his photos and pictures. Sure sign of a rat is someobe with lots of friends from Europe, Russia, Slovenia, Canada and USA. You may be on a selected Facebook account with only Tunisian friends but there WILL be other accounts and friends will be hidden.

Above all FOLLOW YOUR INSTINCTS, if you are here you already have doubts, listen to them, read everything and don't dismiss anything and NEVER EVER THINK ITS NOT POSSIBLE .... It sadly is.

Good luck and keep reading.
We have a lot of new members so I'm just bumping this again.
 

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We got a lot of new members recently, so I'm unashamably bumping this.
This and Wallah's Coping Strategy are my favourites!! I recommend this one for every confused newbie with a possible rat and Wallah's for every new survivor. Cracking threads :thumbsup:
 

see clearly

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I still need it. Because I have my "moments".
will always need TLR , for me i will always have the effect meeting my rat and the consequences. Like a death you never really get over it but it can be softened at the edges . Im happy for anyone who can and does manage to obliterate their experience from their future we are all different but this has been the best counselling support etc ive ever discovered and free. I dont d too well talking about my issues one on one in typical traditional counselling .
 

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will always need TLR , for me i will always have the effect meeting my rat and the consequences. Like a death you never really get over it but it can be softened at the edges . Im happy for anyone who can and does manage to obliterate their experience from their future we are all different but this has been the best counselling support etc ive ever discovered and free. I dont d too well talking about my issues one on one in typical traditional counselling .
Thank you SC.
 

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I still need it. Because I have my "moments".
will always need TLR , for me i will always have the effect meeting my rat
Always remember, JF and SC, you are not machines, you are human beings with loyalty, honesty, compassion, sympathy, consideration, empathy and a heart. You are good people :)

Rats do not have these things, that is why they can move from victim to victim and their only pain is that their quest for greed was not achieved, it's easy for them to move on, they work solely on mechanics, not on feelings like normal people.

It's impossible for us to ever 100% get our heads round the way we were treated, this is solely because we would never dream of using and destroying good people the way they did us. This makes us good people, the fact that yes, we can understand the technical aspects of a rat, but never the insides of somebody so cold, cruel and calculating.

I always suggest that we really educate ourselves on Bezness, Islam, Tunisian culture and narcissism....I will also add inbreeding to that.....by understanding completely what was done to us and accepting that we were not to blame, we are not stupid....we can accelerate our recovery, which in my opinion, will never be complete, we will never be exactly who we were before rat.....but our newfound personality traits are not necessarily a bad thing, just additions to our already awesome personalities! :p

I stick with this site out of a fierce sense of loyalty to those that helped me and out of sheer feelings of anger towards this scam that completely destroys good people, but you know what, sometimes I still have the odd, fleeting moments of disbelief myself too, sometimes I still need the occasional 'Pick me up, I'm flagging' moment, shhhhhh :speechless:

None of us are robots....but we're pretty damn awesome people....because we survived Bezness, whoop whoop!! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
 

see clearly

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I will get back up eventually....*sigh*:(
Awww sweetheart i feel for you. I think most here know the pain . The depression can be terrible. One day you will think to yourself that you havnt thought about your rat all day. And one day you willl wonder why you wasted your thoughts on him. Try distract yourself if you can, get out go to gym, take up a class , dont i repeat do not stay in bed self-medicating like i did. A ) i nearly killed myself ( accidentally ) and b) i nearly lost my job and still living with the consequences. Your welcome to pm me any time . Ive cried ive wept buckets . I dont love my rat anymore but im finding it hard to move on im numb but i had sort of a good ish time with someone else ( although i couldn't wait to see th eback of him ) but it was a start. Be patient with yourself imagine most here had a crying year !!!! or more or a depressed year or more . Stay with TLR your welcome to PM if you want a personal chat. I cant say i have the answers but i lived to tell the tale and i feel sort of ok now but not fully healed . It does get better . Take care big hugs and also pls note i may be sleeping soon no offence but i will reply asap. Im knackerd today hugs xxx
 

juicyfruit

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You sure will! I'd be more concerned if you were not having the odd wobble :)
Awww sweetheart i feel for you. I think most here know the pain . The depression can be terrible. One day you will think to yourself that you havnt thought about your rat all day. And one day you willl wonder why you wasted your thoughts on him. Try distract yourself if you can, get out go to gym, take up a class , dont i repeat do not stay in bed self-medicating like i did. A ) i nearly killed myself ( accidentally ) and b) i nearly lost my job and still living with the consequences. Your welcome to pm me any time . Ive cried ive wept buckets . I dont love my rat anymore but im finding it hard to move on im numb but i had sort of a good ish time with someone else ( although i couldn't wait to see th eback of him ) but it was a start. Be patient with yourself imagine most here had a crying year !!!! or more or a depressed year or more . Stay with TLR your welcome to PM if you want a personal chat. I cant say i have the answers but i lived to tell the tale and i feel sort of ok now but not fully healed . It does get better . Take care big hugs and also pls note i may be sleeping soon no offence but i will reply asap. Im knackerd today hugs xxx
Thank you for your support. No mere words can express my gratitude from here.:)
 

see clearly

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Thank you for your support. No mere words can express my gratitude from here.:)
We are all here for you chick. You should have seen how off the wall i went at times. Thankfully those times were patiently listened to by wonderful members on here . I was in total flight or fight mode at times exhausted, paranoid, depressed, lost , demoralised. These rats just dont care the pain they inflict by their actions but one thing to remember that helps me is not to measure your self worth by their treatment . Self-worth for me was the killer. Im not saying your the same but things will take time , you may relapse once twice several times i know i did and eventually i stopped sticking my hand in the fire and hopefully cut him out of my life just in time. BUt the damage is still done financially and emotionally . Hope your ok Jucy fruit it concerns me your avatar is no longer that free colourful butterfly. BUt mine was a cake with a dick on it for a while lool . Take care hun hugs xxxxx ps ive not been active so much on here a sive been very ill with multiple surgeries and fighting medics and pain and finding experts to deal with my condition ( there aint many ) and trying to keep my job etc etc . I went on my first date last week. It was ok but not earth shattering and im in love with the guy in the local shop ( although he doesn't know it lool ) far too young for me lool but i guess he knows a si go all red when he talks to me lool. Ah life eh ??? crazy
 

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Welcome, I'm writing this to help you find your way around this site. Had I known how to use it I would have found the crucial information I was looking for much earlier.

So make a coffee, settle down and begin reading and I apologise for the long post.

Firstly become a member, you can access more information that way, don't use your own name or picture, once a member you can use the SEARCH which is three small dots on the right hand side. ...

If you are looking here then you may have met someone on holiday, on line, or through someone else or have a friend you are concerned about or just curious.

You may already have some doubts. Follow your instinct, its rarely wrong and if someone else has guided you here do please listen to them.

Search, names, nicknames, places, resort names, hotel names, ages, coffee house names, dates, months anything that may link to your rat. If you can find friends of his on Facebook check the links and likes.

I only looked for names and places and I missed a vital post, so think laterally and keep checking.

Keep checking the gallery for new pictures, or google his name/names. They all use two or three names.

Remember this is an open forum anything you post is PUBLIC so if in doubt anonymise or send a private message to another well known member by creating a conversation, but be candid and cautious. Read posts first so you know who has the most knowledge and experience.
Try a moderator or admin first.
Be cautious of male profiles here as many are male Tunisians checking here or fans, people who follow rats and report back or even defend them. Used trusted members.

SO YOU HAVE A DOUBT: a gut feeling.

What I say now may seem very cynical and it may be hard to believe of the person you have met and like, maybe even feel you love. In 99.9% this is a one sided relationship. Hard facts but true. When he looks in your eyes he sees dollars, pounds and Euros.

Hold that thought in your mind. They cast their net very wide in the hope of catching a big fish, they will keep the small fish dangling in case the big catch does not pay off. It's common to have several fish at the same time. If you think it's not possible that he could say the same things to someone else, think again, they can and frequently do and he probably is right now.

LOVE BOMBING : when you first meet, in person or on line it's lovely, friendly, interested in you, paying you compliments, keeping in contact, saying how much they like you, your not like anyone else they have met, your nice, normal, they enjoy talking. Soon you are looking forward to the contact, it's reliable, always happy to hear from you, it grows in regularity and intensity, becomes more affectionate, gradually, subtly, you start to think about a possible meeting, a future, fantasies begin, a lovely romantic life, rescuing him, this man has a hard life, finds comfort in talking to you. It's a well trodden path and a well used script. The main thing we all have in common is that we all fell for it at some stage. Some got out quickly, some of us lingered, most of us got hurt, humiliated and let down.

Can it really be all LIES?

YES YES YES , if you read here and look at past posts there are NO LIMITS. They will and do lie about everything. They lie on line and to your face, they lie about circumstances, family, finances, jobs, education, nationality, health, marriage, children anything at all.

If you are already thinking, no, it's not possible, he's so genuine, please please think again.

Start from the premise that everything is a lie and work backwards.

Common lies:

I lost my phone, lost my job, my mother, father, any family member is very sick, has cancer, has even died multiple times. They may have been mugged, in a car accident or have a sad tale about a dead fiancé or wife.
They may actually be already married, or engaged and be meeting several women in the resort at the same time, they will certainly be talking to other women on line. NEVER EVER THINK that's it's not possible, it is.

THERE ARE NO LIMITS, nothing they will not say or do to meet their objective. It's not personal, it's just BEZNESS

MONEY AND GIFTS:

It may not happen straight away, it may not happen at all, although this is rare. There may be hints about how little he has, how hard it is for the family to find enough money for food or to pay household bills, hospital fees. He may not have money to go to the coffee so can't contact you, not enough money for even a few cigarettes, no money in his pucket.... needs a dentist, You may feel sorry for him, after all what's £10 or £20 to you, you can probably afford it, but from this moment on you will never ever know, once you give money all is lost, because it will become a frequent occurrence and you will want to help. A new phone because his is lost, a laptop to keep in touch, money for taxi, the bus is never good enough, especially if it's raining.

Just a few gifts my love, perfume, jeans, trainers are a must, they all need lots of trainers for all the walking they never do. Then larger amounts, money to buy themselves out of the army, to pay fathers operation, to buy a sheep for Eid, to pay for a visa permit or flight. If you don't give, why? you have plenty, I have nothing.

I will pay you back..... Don't hold your breath, I'm a good guy I only ask because it's emergency, I feel shame when I ask or take from my parents, they have nothing.

In rare cases they ask for nothing, in fact may even buy you gifts, flowers on arrival, they might even pay for meals or coffee, but be sure someone else has funded this. A rats pockets are very deep and they rarely if ever part with their own money. Someone else has sent this and it's deemed by him and his friends to be worth the investment. Whatever the reason for the request it will be tragic, sad, desperate. Your refusal or or hesitation will lead to the silent treatment. In most cases it will come, usually after a few weeks or months when you are already hooked. In the handbook of Bezness its chapter 2, a test to see if money will be forthcoming, an indicator of the future reward for the investment of time now.

The Silent Treatment, is all about raising your anxiety. Messages go unanswered or unread, suddenly loss of contact, on line but not responding. What's happened, what's wrong, is he sick, has he met someone else, eventually, No no my love I was sick, family was sick, uncle die, lose my phone, no money for Internet, but once they see it worried you it will happen frequently.

HIS FRIENDS AND FAMILY:
Never think what you say is private. Everything is shared with trusted friends, friends who do the same, sharing hints about what works, sharing messages when they don't understand the words, sharing pictures, friends will even write replies for them. You may notice sometimes their language skills are better or worse than last time. Think about who is replying. THERE ARE NO LIMITS.

I LOVE YOU:
Professing love, you are my life, you are best for me, until I met you my life was bad, my family love you, I want to be with you. I want to take care of you. I want to be married with you, I don't like kids, I don't like Tunisian women, they are hard, materialistic, I hate Tunisia, it's not a good life, I want to be free, live with you in your country, I give you a good life, together we can make a business there, or better still together we can make a business in Tunisia. A business you will pay for but never own and never see make a profit. A car my love, it's essential I have car for business. ITS ALL RUBBISH. THERE ARE NO LIMITS

WHO ARE YOU: why you?
You may be young and pretty, young and not so pretty, older and pretty or not so pretty, thin or big, look older look younger, blonde or dark haired. It does not matter, you are a means to an end. You are the way to a visa, or to pay for an expensive wedding to their Tunisian habibi, to buy or build a house, to fund an easy life, buy nice clothes, but you are NOT their future. You are a means to improving their circumstances.

The long haul: THERE ARE NO LIMITS, you may think after one, two even three years, that it's now genuine. But the rat will stick with you for a long long long time. The average age to marry in Tunisia has risen to mid to late thirties, so they will be happy to stick with you (and others alongside you) for years as a means of saving for a better life. There are three women to every man in Tunisia, they can have their pick, mothers are desperate to marry off their daughters. There is no shortage of young women and they all want to be married. Traditions run very very deep. It's exceptional to marry outside of Tunisia and to marry someone older is very unusual and generally unacceptable.

So a young girl likes his posts, frequently puts romantic symbols on Facebook, it's just my cousin my love, just simple talk. The reality is that cousins are the first choice for marriage, there may even be a long term understanding that they are promised to each other but not yet engaged. So never be taken in my it's just someone in my family. It's likely to be a cousin who is patiently waiting in the wings.

REMEMBER, his long term goals are modest, the ultimate goal is to marry a Tunisian girl, preferably a Virgin, preferably a younger cousin, to provide a home, a nice wedding and a car to drive his new growing family around. They need you and others like you to fund this.

What they want to know about you?

Do you have your own house, job, pension, car, family, children, how many holidays you have, what you have in your home, all these things are indicators about how big a catch you are.

Common strategies: going silent, ignoring your calls messages. It's all part of the game, making you dependant.

Or

Constant messaging, this may seem flattering but it's to ensure you are kept occupied, that you are his No 1 and no one else talks to you. You are an investment so he won't like anyone else in the picture.

Controlling you, who you see, talk too, where you go, what you wear, even what you spend. Wanting to know where you are, where you are going, who your with, it's all part of the game. Imagine you are a number in a black book, your name and details written beside it, making sure when he calls or messages you he remembers which one you are or he will never use your name, always Babi, my love, just to be sure he makes no mistakes.

THERE ARE OTHERS, you won't want to believe it but those lovely words he said to you were cut and pasted, repeated and regurgitated, borrowed from friends, copied from a Bezness site.

Come to visit my love, stay with my family, they will love you the way I do. This is an absolute No, it's never acceptable to stay with a Tunisian man in his family home. If you do, beware the kind sister who befriends you, she may actually be his wife, content to watch him romance you for the benefits you may bring them. Please remember, THERE ARE NO LIMITS, it has happened many times.

How many Facebook accounts does one person need? They often have three or more, some will be pictures of famous footballers, some with their name spelt slightly differently, or backwards or with a family name added. If you have phone numbers and email addresses type these into the Facebook search box and other accounts may show up.

How many Skype accounts, how many dating sites, learn how to search.

On Skype you can search via emails or phone numbers, mine had nine Skype accounts. There are many ways to find information.

Take screen shots of messages and screen shots of lists of friends from Facebook. Check who's liking his photos and pictures. Sure sign of a rat is someobe with lots of friends from Europe, Russia, Slovenia, Canada and USA. You may be on a selected Facebook account with only Tunisian friends but there WILL be other accounts and friends will be hidden.

Above all FOLLOW YOUR INSTINCTS, if you are here you already have doubts, listen to them, read everything and don't dismiss anything and NEVER EVER THINK ITS NOT POSSIBLE .... It sadly is.

Good luck and keep reading.
@BrownGirl has been visiting.

Just bumping this. I hope it’s helpful.
We have a lot of new members in their 50’s. Please have a read here.
 

Laura2014

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Welcome, I'm writing this to help you find your way around this site. Had I known how to use it I would have found the crucial information I was looking for much earlier.

So make a coffee, settle down and begin reading and I apologise for the long post.

Firstly become a member, you can access more information that way, don't use your own name or picture, once a member you can use the SEARCH which is three small dots on the right hand side. ...

If you are looking here then you may have met someone on holiday, on line, or through someone else or have a friend you are concerned about or just curious.

You may already have some doubts. Follow your instinct, its rarely wrong and if someone else has guided you here do please listen to them.

Search, names, nicknames, places, resort names, hotel names, ages, coffee house names, dates, months anything that may link to your rat. If you can find friends of his on Facebook check the links and likes.

I only looked for names and places and I missed a vital post, so think laterally and keep checking.

Keep checking the gallery for new pictures, or google his name/names. They all use two or three names.

Remember this is an open forum anything you post is PUBLIC so if in doubt anonymise or send a private message to another well known member by creating a conversation, but be candid and cautious. Read posts first so you know who has the most knowledge and experience.
Try a moderator or admin first.
Be cautious of male profiles here as many are male Tunisians checking here or fans, people who follow rats and report back or even defend them. Used trusted members.

SO YOU HAVE A DOUBT: a gut feeling.

What I say now may seem very cynical and it may be hard to believe of the person you have met and like, maybe even feel you love. In 99.9% this is a one sided relationship. Hard facts but true. When he looks in your eyes he sees dollars, pounds and Euros.

Hold that thought in your mind. They cast their net very wide in the hope of catching a big fish, they will keep the small fish dangling in case the big catch does not pay off. It's common to have several fish at the same time. If you think it's not possible that he could say the same things to someone else, think again, they can and frequently do and he probably is right now.

LOVE BOMBING : when you first meet, in person or on line it's lovely, friendly, interested in you, paying you compliments, keeping in contact, saying how much they like you, your not like anyone else they have met, your nice, normal, they enjoy talking. Soon you are looking forward to the contact, it's reliable, always happy to hear from you, it grows in regularity and intensity, becomes more affectionate, gradually, subtly, you start to think about a possible meeting, a future, fantasies begin, a lovely romantic life, rescuing him, this man has a hard life, finds comfort in talking to you. It's a well trodden path and a well used script. The main thing we all have in common is that we all fell for it at some stage. Some got out quickly, some of us lingered, most of us got hurt, humiliated and let down.

Can it really be all LIES?

YES YES YES , if you read here and look at past posts there are NO LIMITS. They will and do lie about everything. They lie on line and to your face, they lie about circumstances, family, finances, jobs, education, nationality, health, marriage, children anything at all.

If you are already thinking, no, it's not possible, he's so genuine, please please think again.

Start from the premise that everything is a lie and work backwards.

Common lies:

I lost my phone, lost my job, my mother, father, any family member is very sick, has cancer, has even died multiple times. They may have been mugged, in a car accident or have a sad tale about a dead fiancé or wife.
They may actually be already married, or engaged and be meeting several women in the resort at the same time, they will certainly be talking to other women on line. NEVER EVER THINK that's it's not possible, it is.

THERE ARE NO LIMITS, nothing they will not say or do to meet their objective. It's not personal, it's just BEZNESS

MONEY AND GIFTS:

It may not happen straight away, it may not happen at all, although this is rare. There may be hints about how little he has, how hard it is for the family to find enough money for food or to pay household bills, hospital fees. He may not have money to go to the coffee so can't contact you, not enough money for even a few cigarettes, no money in his pucket.... needs a dentist, You may feel sorry for him, after all what's £10 or £20 to you, you can probably afford it, but from this moment on you will never ever know, once you give money all is lost, because it will become a frequent occurrence and you will want to help. A new phone because his is lost, a laptop to keep in touch, money for taxi, the bus is never good enough, especially if it's raining.

Just a few gifts my love, perfume, jeans, trainers are a must, they all need lots of trainers for all the walking they never do. Then larger amounts, money to buy themselves out of the army, to pay fathers operation, to buy a sheep for Eid, to pay for a visa permit or flight. If you don't give, why? you have plenty, I have nothing.

I will pay you back..... Don't hold your breath, I'm a good guy I only ask because it's emergency, I feel shame when I ask or take from my parents, they have nothing.

In rare cases they ask for nothing, in fact may even buy you gifts, flowers on arrival, they might even pay for meals or coffee, but be sure someone else has funded this. A rats pockets are very deep and they rarely if ever part with their own money. Someone else has sent this and it's deemed by him and his friends to be worth the investment. Whatever the reason for the request it will be tragic, sad, desperate. Your refusal or or hesitation will lead to the silent treatment. In most cases it will come, usually after a few weeks or months when you are already hooked. In the handbook of Bezness its chapter 2, a test to see if money will be forthcoming, an indicator of the future reward for the investment of time now.

The Silent Treatment, is all about raising your anxiety. Messages go unanswered or unread, suddenly loss of contact, on line but not responding. What's happened, what's wrong, is he sick, has he met someone else, eventually, No no my love I was sick, family was sick, uncle die, lose my phone, no money for Internet, but once they see it worried you it will happen frequently.

HIS FRIENDS AND FAMILY:
Never think what you say is private. Everything is shared with trusted friends, friends who do the same, sharing hints about what works, sharing messages when they don't understand the words, sharing pictures, friends will even write replies for them. You may notice sometimes their language skills are better or worse than last time. Think about who is replying. THERE ARE NO LIMITS.

I LOVE YOU:
Professing love, you are my life, you are best for me, until I met you my life was bad, my family love you, I want to be with you. I want to take care of you. I want to be married with you, I don't like kids, I don't like Tunisian women, they are hard, materialistic, I hate Tunisia, it's not a good life, I want to be free, live with you in your country, I give you a good life, together we can make a business there, or better still together we can make a business in Tunisia. A business you will pay for but never own and never see make a profit. A car my love, it's essential I have car for business. ITS ALL RUBBISH. THERE ARE NO LIMITS

WHO ARE YOU: why you?
You may be young and pretty, young and not so pretty, older and pretty or not so pretty, thin or big, look older look younger, blonde or dark haired. It does not matter, you are a means to an end. You are the way to a visa, or to pay for an expensive wedding to their Tunisian habibi, to buy or build a house, to fund an easy life, buy nice clothes, but you are NOT their future. You are a means to improving their circumstances.

The long haul: THERE ARE NO LIMITS, you may think after one, two even three years, that it's now genuine. But the rat will stick with you for a long long long time. The average age to marry in Tunisia has risen to mid to late thirties, so they will be happy to stick with you (and others alongside you) for years as a means of saving for a better life. There are three women to every man in Tunisia, they can have their pick, mothers are desperate to marry off their daughters. There is no shortage of young women and they all want to be married. Traditions run very very deep. It's exceptional to marry outside of Tunisia and to marry someone older is very unusual and generally unacceptable.

So a young girl likes his posts, frequently puts romantic symbols on Facebook, it's just my cousin my love, just simple talk. The reality is that cousins are the first choice for marriage, there may even be a long term understanding that they are promised to each other but not yet engaged. So never be taken in my it's just someone in my family. It's likely to be a cousin who is patiently waiting in the wings.

REMEMBER, his long term goals are modest, the ultimate goal is to marry a Tunisian girl, preferably a Virgin, preferably a younger cousin, to provide a home, a nice wedding and a car to drive his new growing family around. They need you and others like you to fund this.

What they want to know about you?

Do you have your own house, job, pension, car, family, children, how many holidays you have, what you have in your home, all these things are indicators about how big a catch you are.

Common strategies: going silent, ignoring your calls messages. It's all part of the game, making you dependant.

Or

Constant messaging, this may seem flattering but it's to ensure you are kept occupied, that you are his No 1 and no one else talks to you. You are an investment so he won't like anyone else in the picture.

Controlling you, who you see, talk too, where you go, what you wear, even what you spend. Wanting to know where you are, where you are going, who your with, it's all part of the game. Imagine you are a number in a black book, your name and details written beside it, making sure when he calls or messages you he remembers which one you are or he will never use your name, always Babi, my love, just to be sure he makes no mistakes.

THERE ARE OTHERS, you won't want to believe it but those lovely words he said to you were cut and pasted, repeated and regurgitated, borrowed from friends, copied from a Bezness site.

Come to visit my love, stay with my family, they will love you the way I do. This is an absolute No, it's never acceptable to stay with a Tunisian man in his family home. If you do, beware the kind sister who befriends you, she may actually be his wife, content to watch him romance you for the benefits you may bring them. Please remember, THERE ARE NO LIMITS, it has happened many times.

How many Facebook accounts does one person need? They often have three or more, some will be pictures of famous footballers, some with their name spelt slightly differently, or backwards or with a family name added. If you have phone numbers and email addresses type these into the Facebook search box and other accounts may show up.

How many Skype accounts, how many dating sites, learn how to search.

On Skype you can search via emails or phone numbers, mine had nine Skype accounts. There are many ways to find information.

Take screen shots of messages and screen shots of lists of friends from Facebook. Check who's liking his photos and pictures. Sure sign of a rat is someobe with lots of friends from Europe, Russia, Slovenia, Canada and USA. You may be on a selected Facebook account with only Tunisian friends but there WILL be other accounts and friends will be hidden.

Above all FOLLOW YOUR INSTINCTS, if you are here you already have doubts, listen to them, read everything and don't dismiss anything and NEVER EVER THINK ITS NOT POSSIBLE .... It sadly is.

Good luck and keep reading.
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