Discussion in 'Rat on a Rat' started by Vict, Feb 15, 2017 at 9:08 AM.
Haha, oh, the memories!
The wife/girlfriend from a different EU country but settled/living in the UK is the easiest route for them and costs very little too with no visa requirement these women are specifically targeted for this reason
I know, it absolutely infuriates me! They'll destroy women from all over Europe to get here. Thank God we were never Schengen Zone! The Russian route, they thought would get them across into Europe, onto Paris...and across the channel, but that doesn't work, the dimwits need another visa. I'm furious that it's so easy and cheap for an EU resident to bring a non EU spouse over here. Even if we found a genuine non EU spouse abroad, it's a hell process to get them here, but the Europeans can just do it!
Ireland is also widely used for this reason, many British women have moved to Ireland to escape the visa process then move back to the UK once the 'family permit' is issued for their non EU spouse and the dust has settled
But yeah, we do appear to be the country of choice God help us, they must all wanna come for the weather eh?
So many dang routes for them to get in! I can't wait until we get proper control back of our own borders...including with Ireland...it's too easy for rats to get in this way. That freakin vermin virus is contaminating everywhere!
Haha, for sure....that's why I stay here We've been a laughing stock for years because of our benefits system and how easily abused it is (even by our own). I'm so pleased to see that health tourists are now having to pay...tis a mere drop in the ocean ..but it's a start!
The thought of even one of these zatla zib's getting a penny from my hard earned money infuriates me
Im sorry but I cant fully agree to that. I also come from a shit country and many of my family members and friends emigrated to another countries to find a better job or life, including England. Now they're in a very difficult situation. They made lives there, have the kids there. The kids now speak better english than their mother language. Now even mentioning the education system and so on. Can you imagine that these people after many years of working, living etc are just simply kicked out back to their mother land? Because I can't. And this is what is probably going to happen sooner or later. Im also not sure if you know that but the outsiders always always earn far less money while doing exactly the same job as you do. But they're still doing this job. So do I since I emigrated from my mother country to another just to make a better future for my kids. I work hard every day at work and at home because when I came here I didnt know even a single word from the language that now I understand and speak good enough to be independed. I have a good education but my education is no longer approved here where I now live cause of the law differences and so on. if you'd know how much I earn then you would just laugh but to it's really important to get some experience in a new profession, occupation plus I learn the language on the ocassion. My kids are also doing a hard work learning at the school without knowing even a single word on the begining. I can't even imagine that after a couple of years I'm just kicked out of here just because someone has changed his mind. There are always two sides of a coin. The countries which have opened their borders should have taken some responsibility for the decission they have made. It's a difficult thing now for all of the people... Im also angry when Im going back from work, being always in hurry, doing shopping on the way, being exhausted and seeing so called refuges realxed, smiling, wearing brand new cloths and using a phone that I will not be able to afford for a long time in the future while they dont even think of getting a job and even learning the language. I pay myself for the language school and they have it for free but dont even going there regulary. They have more rights than I will ever have here. It's sad but that's just life I think. They will not be kicked out and I.. who knows?
You completely misunderstood my post. If somebody wants to emigrate for a better life, they are willing to work for it, integrate and are honest, then I say good for them! Speaking for myself, if I saw a better future for my children elsewhere, better work prospects for myself, I would do what you've done, I'd grab the opportunity with both hands. I have no problem with genuine, honest, hardworking people from other countries, people that genuinely appreciate the opportunity they've been given, my sons Polish football coach is a legend, my dentist is Indian, I use to teamlead people from many countries that worked hard, integrated and actually were bloody decent people to spend time with. I grew up in London amongst many nationalities, teachers, doctors etc. My post was focused solely on how easy it is for rats to get in. They don't want to work, they come here for benefits and to scam, they then take our wealth back to their countries, they are not interested in family here, they refuse to integrate. They are greedy, deluded and evil, I have no time for those people. They are dishonest about their greedy intentions from day one, fooling us with love scams to get here for an easy life. They are what we don't want! As an English citizen yourself, surely you can see that our health and education systems are under unbelievable pressure, they are falling apart under the stress of too many people coming across. The lower wages paid to immigrants have made employment for Brits a nightmare, as business owners want cheaper staff and more profit. Immigration needs to be controlled, because hiding amongst the decent people emigrating, is some true evil and horrible people.
I fully understand that. Btw I dont live in England but my cousin does. The problem is that the emigration law is the same for us as for the rats. The only difference is that we, European citizens dont need visa. Because of the changes in the law which have been made cause of refuges I guess, the other decent people are getting hurt. The same situation will be soon in the USA I think. This is sad. You see the difference but not the ones who make new rules.. Also not all the emigrants are always the same and decent but we all are always treated the same way. Doesn't matter if you are decent or not. Nobody controll does.
The emigration laws are different for rats, chick...they do need visas, they don't have free movement, so they scam us to get here. Also, if a rat marries an English victim, he has to go through the system and it's difficult for them to get here. If a rat marries an EU citizen that lives in England, he does not have to go through that process. An EU citizen can bring a non EU rat over easily...and the rats use this to their advantage, they marry a European person in the Schengen Zone to get here with that victim, or they marry a European woman for papers after ex amount of years and then come here. Not all of them, some of then are happy to stay in Europe for those streets paved with gold, but for most of them, the ultimate goal is England because they know all the ins and outs of our benefits system. I hope this makes sense, it's hard for me to word. Many rats choose a victim from Russia and the Eastern block, believing this is a step into Europe and the UK, they know, or think they know every way in...and it needs stopping! Bezness needs dealing with, it needs to be stopped, so it should be made harder for these rats to get in. The problem for our authorities is differentiating between a rat and a genuine migrant, but things like age gaps, being outed on this site etc should be taken into account. I don't believe EU members that have already moved and contributed to their adoptive country will be deported, but that's just my gut feeling. Those that emigrated solely for benefits should be deported as they bring nothing positive, wherever their chosen country may be.
I'm always reluctant to post on imigrant/ refugee issues, but
I hope I can assure folk that actually our health service is not in any way under threat from the drain of refugees and migrants. They account for a minuscule part of the NHS budget. In fact the opposite is true. They rarely if ever come to the attention of health or social care services for a variety of reasons.
Their threshold for illness is much higher, in that they suffer a lot more before ever seeking help. They are not used to accessing services or getting anything for free.
They stay under the radar because of the risk of bringing themselves to the attention of the authorities and they fear this even if legitimately here. When you have lived in an oppressive society it's difficult to trust anyone especially anyone in authority.
They receive £5 per day emergency subsistence which can last up to two years while their status is verified.
It's a frequently regurgitated Daily Mail Myth.
I wish that were true, Laura, but they are putting a strain on our system, my medic friends are crumbling under the pressure, trying to get a doctors appointment is a joke, waiting on the list for counselling is dragging out our torment, there aren't enough beds in hospitals, not enough staff, when my youngest was born, the maternity ward had one midwife and two helpers...the midwife was twenty four weeks pregnant. When my back went in November, I had to wait eight hours flat on my back on the kitchen floor, when the paramedics finally arrived, they came from Bedfordshire, an hour away because there were not any local ambulances available, by coming to me, they told us for as long as they were with me, Bedfordshire only had one ambulance service available. Much of this is down to cuts, as well as the added pressure of there just being too much demand now, too much money is being sent abroad and supporting people here that refuse to work, pay no tax or National insurance contributions. Education is suffering because too many translators are needed in classrooms now...this is affecting the education of our own children. My son lost his place in specialist education because of cost cuts, this was nationwide, my work colleagues son suffered the same threat, do you know what she did to save her sons education? She played the race card...we did not have that luxury card to save our son, she played hers and won, not only did he keep his place at school, he was then given help from high up professional OT's and the like. I'm all for multiculturalism if we all work together, sadly, our soft benefits system is taken for granted. Don't feel reluctant to speak out about your opinions, chick, we all have the right to a voice, even if we don't all agree. None of us should feel we have to be silent, when debates are started, they are a free for all.
All the things you have noted are true with regard to the pressure on services with the exception of the strain migrants and refugees are putting on our services. It's absolutely not true. I promise you. It's an utter myth. This I know for an absolute fact but without breaking my anomininity cannot explain in an open forum.
Laura, I would never wish you to compromise your anonymity and am sure you truly believe what you say, a healthy debate is good, if immigration had been debated before the referendum without labelling those with concerns as bigots then things might have turned out differently.
You believe that migrants don't put a burden on the system. As well as the money they are given, they receive clothing vouchers, food vouchers, accommodation. I am from a town where local children have their lessons disrupted by up to four translators a time. Class sizes have increased by 40%,who is paying for this? Who is paying for the maternity care, dental care, housing, transport etc when a towns population has increased by 50% in the space of a decade, who is paying for the upkeep of the roads damaged by an unmanageable increase in traffic. How are the people in these job roles to cope with the demand?
Check in the local courts, you only have to see the names to realise the crime and anti social behaviour that many migrants bring with them. In my town the local police do not bother chasing Eastern Europeon drivers anymore due to lack of insurance. Some of this is doubtless due to lack of education but someone is paying for it, and that is the tax payer and council tax payer. Increased people brings increase in all bills whether it be rubbish collection or education and health provision and it is not fair on those that pay into the system, they are having to pay more and more to cover those who are not. I do include the indigenous non payer as well, and fully recognise that there are many hard working and law abiding migrant and foreign workers who we need to value.
At this point, I must tell you this isn't Mango writing but her man, hope you don't mind me gatecrashing the debate! I cannot tell you what my job is due to the official secrets act and data protection act, but I see everyday the cost of migration especially non EU migration and refugees and this particular niche is the most expensive, as they bring nothing of any value, are often ill, and have very few social skills, so they cost more over the course of their lives, and never bring any wealth with them. They should not be classed as refugees, as they have travelled through many safe countries to target the UK, they become economic migrants as soon as they reach and then leave, the first safe country. That they are often not from asylum status states is another debate, the figures I have I am not allowed to disclose, but maybe you get the point. The only genuine asylum seekers in the UK are those that were hand picked, thoroughly vetted and flown straight here, this was the first safe country they reached.
There are two sides to every debate, sometimes personal opinion can cloud issues, but it is vital and healthy to hear other opinions no matter what they are, and if you agree with each other or not.
I have been following this site for a long time, I feel as if I know some of you personally, please carry on the fantastic work outing those Tunisian dregs, supporting victims and raising awareness of this cowardly bezness. You ladies are forever in my gratitude, you have helped Mango beyond words.
einfach dumm bist du ein blinde kann sehen das der ist "rat" wird glücklich
I go forever
It's me now, not the fella They don't hide under the radar, they are forever protesting on the streets for Sharia law etc, building mosques, shops and the like. Parts of where I live are no go zones
I just read this entire thread, and I was convinced on Page 1 that Vict was a rat. Someone apparently had too much spare time at a coffee shop and decided to troll this site!
i dont know how it is in Englad but here where I live the kids that dont speak the language dont have even a single translator in the classroom. They're in the classes with another foreign kids and for one year learn the language, during this year they slowly have another subjects for example mathematic. Then they go to the normal classes. If the kids dont doing well with the language then it's your buisness to teach them at home or find someone else to do that and you pay it yourslef for that.
How does it stand with the Scottish situation them now being 'independent ' forgive my ignoreance would it be like the Irish route??? Also I think mine just wanted money from me not papers so that's one to be aware of ( to remind or make newbies aware of this).
That's what annoying most of all: when they come to another countries and started to " fight" for their rules. What the hell Sharia should be in England or somewhere in Europe?? I am even sure Sharia should not excist at all!! Because it's savagery. But if the monkeys want live under such a law they could do it in their counrtries.
Mosques should be built in England. On the money of european citizens.. Aha.. Are you serious??!
May be the Christmas should not be celebrated already to not offend the muslim migrants??
I know of one rat who once not long in the UK went on a 'protest' march for Gaza, yet the coward ran away from his own country and didn't seem to be interested in doing his National Service there, he couldn't wait to escape, such a big man huh? He took the easy way out, married an English woman twice his age, bled her dry of all her savings for many years, I have yet to find a redeeming quality in these so called men, all mouth no trousers as the saying goes
I should add he was as pleased as punch to post the 'free Gaza' flag waving nonsense photos on his Facebook because that is what the true purpose was, attention seeking from his cronies he left behind, look at me everyone, I have made it to the UK AND I am protesting for our cause, aren't I the local hero?